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Originally Posted by Tripper
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Originally Posted by c312
Trip, you don't have to think a fetus is a person, but that doesn't mean it isn't because you say it isn't. There are loads of people who think they are, your opinion on the issue is not an end all solution. And if you want to provide an example like the "30,000 civilian deaths that their support of their government's foreign policy caused, in a war based on false pretenses." I would pick one that isn't arguable.
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I never said I didn't think fetus' were ALIVE - I said they weren't conscious. That's not a 'belief' that's a FACT. A plant is alive....and yet you don't hesitate to rip those out if they look ugly. A cow is alive....and yet you don't hesitate to tear your teeth into a big piece of beef steak.
The 30,000 casualty statement was a reference to Stammer's post:
I was making a generalised comparison based on his post about "typical" right wingers (Mainly the ones I've encountered on this forum) who seem to all express themselves on moral homeland issues against such things as abortion, euthenasia, etc and then not even seem to give two shits about the incredible statistic of civilian casualties in the Iraq war which they strongly support. I may not be talking about all right wing conservatives here, but the vast majority of the ones who post on this forum certainly present themselves this way....
Don't you feel like you're contradicting yourself when you sit so strongly for life when it comes to domestic issues, but when it's foreign policy it's "who gives a shit, we're doing what's best for them." ?? |
You can't compare human beings to cows and plants, they are obviously different.
You also can't compare it to the innocents killed in Iraq, they were killed accidentally, not deliberately.
Now if you're talking about us not doing anything about people in Africa who are getting killed or other places where people are killed and we don't seem interested, I understand that. I think the United STates should make more of an effort to help in those situations, but other than that, I don't think the comparisons you are making are accurate at all.
Stammer, there are obviously people who are against abortion for religious reasons but I would dare to say that most who are against abortions are against them because they feel it is murder, not because they think the Bible says it is a sin. I don't think religion is as involved with this issue as you think it is.
Again, this thread is stupid. Everytime we argue abortion here it comes to the basic fact of whether or not you beleive that aborting a fetus is equivalent to taking life. If you don't have that premise, the argument is nonsensical, it's stupid and it will never generate a solution because the fact of the matter is that the opinions on the issue are based on almost completely that one fact and if there isn't understanding that that fact is a core, unchangeable premise of the person's beleif who is arguing, it is useless to argue.