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Originally Posted by Eames
i honestly don't see what the problem is. sure civilians dying is sad and unfortunate, but unfortunatly its just another part of war. if a group of people do something to provoke war, then they have to be willing to accept the responsibility of the consequences of war. civilian deaths and other colatoral damage are just another part of war. what i don't understand is why no one questions or condems our massive bombing of german and japanesse cities during ww2. we killed hundreds of thousands of civilians during ww2. we would level cities to destroy a few factories, where were the protests then?? the public outcries?? lets se...there were none! people knew its what had to be done to win the war and if fire bombing this city meant it brought the war that much closer to being over then it was worth it.
now we have these cowardly islamic terrorists who love to attack western countries then flee back to their urban suroundings, not wear uniforms, hide behind civilians, count on the west to either to be to scared to bomb them, or bomb them and then film the destruction and condim the "horrible bombings", or finally (their most prefered scenerio, we send our ground forces in to root them out, and they will just shoot our troops in the back or blow themselves up to kill as many western forces as possible.
these muslim enemies we face today are simply cowards and deserve no special treatment what so ever. at least the damn germans and japs had the balls to wear uniforms and face us on a battle field, because you know they actually were concerned about defending their homeland and protecting their civilians. not like these muslim terrorists, who refuse to wear uniforms, refuse to face us on a battlefield, and hide behind women and children and count on our undecisiveness to survive. these islamic terrorists are the reason why civilians are being bombed because they think if they hide in urban areas they will be safe, they do not give a fuck about the civilian population they jepordize by hiding there...and they make that blatantly clear everytime they detonate bombs that kill hundreds of civlians. we should make it perfectly clear that we are going to kill our enemy no matter where they hide, and if there is colatoral damage then so be it, but the people doing the bombing shouldn't be the ones who are condemed...rather the cowards who are hiding behind civilians should be the ones that are condemed because they are the ones putting the civilians in danger and we are the ones fighting a war that they started, something we all forget.
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Oh please would you stfu. You can't compare this situation to ww2. Ridiculous.
For one, the enemies in ww2 were nations with governments leading the countries into battle with massive armies full of citizen soldiers...This war is about a small nasty group of people WITHIN a country, not a conventional army.
In ww2, the allies bombed factories, strategic positions that would hurt industry and make it hard for the enemy to build up the MEANS to fight the war - Not random bombings of cities to get at a few terrorists peppered throughout massive amounts of civilian families. ....Of course there were random civilian bombings like Dresden, but you don't see many people denying that those types of things were a mistake....and even then its still a hell of alot different.
Imagine how pissed you would be if some small group of Americans for some stupid reason started launching terrorist attacks on China - and China retaliated by bombing the shit out of civilian populations in your towns and cities where they lived - I'm sure you'd see it quite differently.
Why should innocent civilians take the brunt of the pain and anguish just because A FEW of these terrorists are hiding amongst them? Makes no sense at all.
This ISN'T a conventional war - so why fight it like it is?
Also you ask why there wasn't the same outcry during WW2? There was far less pacifism in WW2 for alot of reasons, most civilians - until they were bombed - were totally removed from the violence, which was mostly glorified - both sides had their citizens supporting the war effort. I'm sure most of the lebs that are dying don't support these terrorists at all.
[quote:69470]if a group of people do something to provoke war, then they have to be willing to accept the responsibility of the consequences of war.[/quote:69470]
Funny how its the innocents that are facing the consequences, and not the people that actually provoked the war.
I'm not anti-israel in the slightest - I just think the way they're waging this conflict is pretty stupid. Not only for the innocents they're killing but also the future terrorists that will be born out of this conflict. They're just making more enemies.