It's funny. I was talking with a professor at my College about Bush and the Iraq war. He said he has some neighbours from Texas. There are a lot of Texans in Calgary because of the Oil business, and vice versa. Calgary has the largest population of Americans anywhere in the world outside of the USA. At any rate, he was asking these people from Texas why they were bush supporters, even after all that has happened. They simply responded that they trust him. They think he's doing the best for their country, and they don't see anything wrong with his actions. I think this is the belief of many Americans, and even Canadians. 2 of my closest friends said they would vote for Bush if they lived in the states.
Last year in the Canadian Federal Election I voted for the Conservative Party of Canada. This is essentially the republican party equivalent. I think I did this most part because everyone else in my province votes this way. If you look at an electoral map of Alberta, it's all Blue. (The conservative party in Canada is Blue, liberals are red). I've significantly changed the way I look at the electoral process and parties running in it. In the next election I think I’ll be voting Green. Going from Conservative to Green is a big leap. Pretty much all the way across the spectrum.
As for the video, it's just propaganda against Bush. Although I agree with its message, it doesn't tell me anything I didn't already know, and shouldn't tell anyone on the face of the earth something they didn't know, unless those people are very uninformed. I find it hard to rationalize after knowing these simple facts that people would still vote for the man. I think a part of it is just blind patriotism toward Bush and his party and what they stand for.
And we always hear the question "are you sorry you went into Iraq?" When have you ever heard any politician apologize and admit they did something wrong? Especially on the scale of the War in Iraq. There is no way that Bush would ever concede that going into Iraq was wrong, even if 10,000 or 100,000 troops died in the process. So I don't know why anyone would expect him to say, yes we were wrong, there were no weapons, Saddam wasn't a threat to anyone, and we screwed up.
I really don't know what good Bush has done for the US or the rest of the world. He put the US into an enormous amount of debt that continues to climb. He'll be out of office in 4 years, but someone is going to have to clean up his mess. What does this say to his children who have to bear this burden? Bush also pretty much undermined the entire world community and divided Western Civilization and NATO. I believe attention should be put on solving conflicts, not creating them. Especially not unilaterally.
The US was home free with the Iraq situation. I remember when Saddam was not cooperating, yes I admit that he gave Inspectors a run for their money, He wasn't honest, and that was why Canada had proposed a drop dead date to let UN inspectors into certain areas. If Saddam did not let them in, Canada would have supported military action. This Idea was tabled only a few days before the election. If the US had waited another 2 weeks maybe, they might have had support from the UN, and then nobody could be blaming the US for its actions.
Bush tried to make the link between Al Qeda and Iraq. Really, he succeeded. I believe the majority of US citizens at one point thought Iraq had something to do with 9/11, which is absolutely false. It was always clear to me that it was false, yet people seemed to believe that it was true. I was baffled by this for quite some time.
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Originally Posted by Proteus
How has he directly affected your life? God forbid you pay a couple extra dollars to free a country..
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While the below wasn't written specifically in response to Proteus' comment above since he typed it as I was typing my long ass thing out, it exemplifies my position even more.
I'm still baffled at why people still support the war. So there were no WMD. But getting rid of Saddam was good because he was bad to the Iraqi people, right?
Truthfully, do
you really care about the Iraqi people? Are the Iraqi people worth 1,300 US soldiers? Do you really care if an Iraqi dies?
So if the Iraqi people are really worth 1,300 lives, then why not the Congo, or Iran, or Sudan?
Tens of thousands of people in Sudan are dying right at this very moment. I bet more people have lost their lives in Sudan in the last 6 months, than in Iraq in the past 10 years. Whether or not you call it genocide, it doesn’t matter. Entire villages are being wiped out right now. As you read this, people are being massacred by the thousands. Why is this not a worthy cause to try to contain or fight for?
http://www.webindia123.com/news/showdet ... &cat=World
http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsArticle.jh ... yID=665030
[quote:73afa]at least 70,000 people have died from killings or disease and 1.8 million people are homeless after pro-government militia pillaged, killed and raped.[/quote:73afa]
Doesn't add up to me. Bush screwed up in Iraq, so the argument turns to: "we're freeing the Iraqi people." Bull shit. Bush doesn’t give a flying fuck about Iraqis, or Iranians, or Koreans or Sudanese. Nobody does. But this argument isn't valid anymore "we're helping the Iraqis". There are a lot of people in need of a lot more help than the Iraqis.
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hope someone actually reads that. it took me a long time. happy:
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