[Jin-Roh]

Originally Posted by Drew

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[Pyro]

Originally Posted by Maplegyver

sorry, labeling people as anti semites becasue they dont agree with the decisions isreal is making, is putting words in other people mouthes. typical conservative youre with or against us behaviour. i dont know one person that hates the american people so you can stop bringing that up in discussions. and last time a checked we were discussing Isreal not The Usa.

Welcome to the allegations conservatives put on people who don't agree with certain actions taken by a government.

It is always you dislike the government, you dislike the people who live under the government.

[Drew]

Originally Posted by Trunks

ha. u make me laugh. I know all about the iran/iraq war, how america gave iraq weapons becuz of their stance, an enemy of our enemy is our friend. Didnt work out for the US tho now did it. And wat makes the US the international police man huh? Seems to me that should be the job for the UN, not a single country. And Iran might not mind America taking out/invading Iraq, but wat they do hate is the attitude of america. That attitude that lead us to defy the UN, to start an unjustified war. The attitude that says, we are big bad america, mess with us, and well, look at Iraq, thatll tell u all u need to know. And for some reason u never responded to wat i said abouyt russia. I wonder y. rolleyes: BtW, let me tell u something. America could care less if 500k people died, as long as it didnt endanger american interests. In ww2, america knew danm well that jews were being killed by the millions, and yet if they could have avoided the war completely the would have. They only joined in the war after japan attacked pearl harbor, and even then they only declrared war on japan. Only after the germans declared war on America, did the US respond witb its own declration of war.
BTW, oh yea, im some 9th grade christian kid.(sarcasm) oOo:

I hate to keep addressing your arguments, especially since you seem to just keep being proven wrong and then moving on to another subject. I guess maybe your plan of attack is that if you bring up enough topics, I might slip on something.

Also, try breaking your post up to not be one blob of unformatted text on the screen, that way it's a bit easier to read. Though, if I were you, I'd also be trying to hide my ignorance in the center of a nearly unlegible paragraph.

On to the points:

1) I didn't address your point about Russia because you edited your post and added it AFTER I had already replied. Nice try, though.

2) If you knew anything about the Middle East at all, you would have never in 1,000 years said that Iran was sad about Iraq being utterly defeated.

3) What makes the US the world police? Well, that is - of course - a debateable topic. Unfortunately, you once again make an utterly uneducated post and try to pass it off as though it contained some essence of logic. Had you debated the ethical or moral implications involved in the issue, maybe. However, you simply stated that it is the UN's job. This is the same UN that facilitated massive corruption in the Oil for Food program and also failed to enforce its sanctions on Iraq for the better part of a decade. They've failed to do the same in many other places in the world. The UN is outdated and obsolete. The concept of a world forum is sound, however the UN was never properly established for the amount of bureaucracy to which it is now host.

4) Only fight wars we know we can win? Sure, why wouldn't we? What purpose would it serve to enter into a conflict which we know we will lose? That's just stupid and wastes human lives with no end result other than failure. Again, ridiculous logic.

5) American involvement only when it interests our people? Again, yes. I've said this before. Why would we do anything that did not have the interests of our country in mind? Yes, it's great for the world to work as a team, but every country still wants the best for its citizens in the end.

Do me a favor and don't post everytime your two brain cells happen to collide and create a thought.

[Drew]

Originally Posted by Pyro

Welcome to the allegations conservatives put on people who don't agree with certain actions taken by a government.

It is always you dislike the government, you dislike the people who live under the government.

Okay, since no one seems to be able to understand the concept of IRONY, please allow me to explain it to you.

Conservatives are ALWAYS being accused of applying double standards. On top of this, whenever they oppose something, they are called intolerant, etc etc. So, when a bunch of liberally-aligned folks started spouting double standards which were biased against Israel, the IRONY of the statement would be to imply intolerance on the part of liberals by stating that their beliefs "must make them anti-Semites." It is a precise and well-supported ironic statement.

Someone needs to force you to take an IQ test in order to gain access to this forum.

[1080jibber]

Originally Posted by Drew

And before anyone tries to argue, here are some quotes from the Iran thread.

I guess from this one can understand that Muslims can make threats against people who are constantly hostile against them, however Jews may not.

You guys are a bunch of anti-semites, I guess. Especially since Israel has never, ever tried to do anything but exist. The only time they ever even invaded another country was during the Six Day War (that's the name, right?) and that was a counter-invasion of Lebanon. Lebanon had been the aggressor and invaded Israel first.

Iran, as you'll recall, has tried to overtake its neighbors several times in its past.

But without further adieu, here are plenty of quotes from your friendly neighborhood anti-Semites. Either that or they're all just flaming hypocrites:

the whole thing is about if the US bombs them then they will attack the US, and US interests......so you think Iran is just going to let that happen without even trying to strike at the Americans.. As I said before, you cant blame them for trying.

[Drew]

Okay, and Iran is importing missiles that can conveniently reach Israel.

Regional destabilization, anyone?

[tomxtr]

I think what this whole thread comes down two is a couple of simple questions and then it should be very clear cut which side you come down on.

1) Do you believe that Iran's pursuit of nuclear capability is purely for non-military reasons?

2) Do you believe that the United Nations is still a relevant body?

If you believe that Iran's intentions for atomic energy are purely for peaceful uses, then by all means build away. Many nations (most of which are European) remain skeptical.

If you believe that their intention is to produce nuclear weapons then the UN has the right to impose sanctions and perhaps build a coalition to see that this doesn't happen.

There exists this little thing called the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty whereby ratifying members agree not to continue to produce or seek to obtain the means to produce nuclear weapons among other things. The US is one of the ratifying nations and not only does the US not continue to produce weapons, but there was a point in which we were disarming at a pretty good clip.

It was the International Atomic Energy Agency that brought to light the breaches of this treaty by the Iranians, not the US government. That means the International Atomic Energy Agency is of the opinion that Iran's intentions are not as they claim.

So the question in my mind is what do you do about it? I don't know. My sense is that the UN doesn't know either. Their experts have concluded, in their professional opinion's, that Iran seeks nuclear weapons despite having signed the NPT.

We'll see what happens. I certainly hope for a diplomatic resolution. Although I would lose no sleep over Israel destroying nuclear plants. Most of you equal opportunity, let everyone have nukes, kids are too young to remember the Iranian revolution when the Ayatollah Khomeini incited Iranians into over-running the American embassy in Tehran and holding close to 80 hostages for about a year and half. I, on the other hand, remember it plainly even though I was very young. Maybe that was because a good friend of my dad's was one of the hostages.

[elstatec]

this thread is retarded.

israel is in the wrong here.

[tomxtr]

Originally Posted by elstatec

this thread is retarded.

israel is in the wrong here.

In the wrong? They haven't even done anything................Yet.

What about the Iranians thumbing their noses at the UN and International Atomic Energy Agency? annoy:

[rdeyes]

time is running out for iran

[Trunks]

Originally Posted by Drew

I hate to keep addressing your arguments, especially since you seem to just keep being proven wrong and then moving on to another subject. I guess maybe your plan of attack is that if you bring up enough topics, I might slip on something.

Also, try breaking your post up to not be one blob of unformatted text on the screen, that way it's a bit easier to read. Though, if I were you, I'd also be trying to hide my ignorance in the center of a nearly unlegible paragraph.

On to the points:

1) I didn't address your point about Russia because you edited your post and added it AFTER I had already replied. Nice try, though.

2) If you knew anything about the Middle East at all, you would have never in 1,000 years said that Iran was sad about Iraq being utterly defeated.

3) What makes the US the world police? Well, that is - of course - a debateable topic. Unfortunately, you once again make an utterly uneducated post and try to pass it off as though it contained some essence of logic. Had you debated the ethical or moral implications involved in the issue, maybe. However, you simply stated that it is the UN's job. This is the same UN that facilitated massive corruption in the Oil for Food program and also failed to enforce its sanctions on Iraq for the better part of a decade. They've failed to do the same in many other places in the world. The UN is outdated and obsolete. The concept of a world forum is sound, however the UN was never properly established for the amount of bureaucracy to which it is now host.

4) Only fight wars we know we can win? Sure, why wouldn't we? What purpose would it serve to enter into a conflict which we know we will lose? That's just stupid and wastes human lives with no end result other than failure. Again, ridiculous logic.

5) American involvement only when it interests our people? Again, yes. I've said this before. Why would we do anything that did not have the interests of our country in mind? Yes, it's great for the world to work as a team, but every country still wants the best for its citizens in the end.

Do me a favor and don't post everytime your two brain cells happen to collide and create a thought.

judging from the tone of ur post, i seem to have offended u... eek: If i didnt, ignore wat i am about to say, but if i did, kindly note it was unintentional.

1) Im sorry bout that, i forgot bout that at the time. However, u still havent adressed wat i said...

2) If i gave u the impression that Iran was upset about us invading iraq then thats not wat i meant, wat i wanted to say was to look at the larger picture, theyre not disappointed at us for invading this particular country, but they are dissapointed in us for having the nerve, to defy the UN, and cause an unjustified war.

3) Whether the UN is not working, obsolete or watever else u may call it is not the point. The point is, that the Un was put in place to prevent wars. However, the only thing I am seeing is America pushing around the UN, as if America were the school bully or something. So in that, i suppose we can agree... However, the mere fact that America has the nerve to defy the entire UN, is what startles me.

4) There is a difference between fighting a just war in which victory is questionable, and invading weaker countries who we know wont stand a chance because of our political interests within them.

5) And actually, its not the peoples interests, it is the governments interests. The average american does not want to be in Iraq. The average american wants the money currently being spent on the Iraq War and opperation enduring freedom to be spent on more productive things, like improving schools, etc. However, the reason we are in iraq is plain and simple. We want them to be in our debt for "liberating" them so that when the time comes and we need another ally in the Middle East besides Israel, we will have Iraq to fall back on.

[Sgt>Stackem]

Originally Posted by tomxtr

1) Do you believe that Iran's pursuit of nuclear capability is purely for non-military reasons?

2) Do you believe that the United Nations is still a relevant body?.

1. NO


2. NO I wish the US would pull out and send thier asses packin

[Maplegyver]

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[elstatec]

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there are too many retards perceiving israel of being the most innocent state in the area.

[Drew]

Israel - from day one - has been forced to defend itself from those who were opposed to its establishment.

Rather than face the British, who established the state, cowardly terrorists have been killing Jewish settlers since its first month of existence.

No one is saying that Israel is Jesus in the form of a nation (irony), however they have only ever defended themselves from the very first day.

Aside from an assault on an Iraqi chemical factory, Israel has never once been the aggressor in a war and their operations in Palestine have only ever been a matter of direct response to relentless terrorism.

Meanwhile, Iran makes a show of funding and supporting world-wide terror networks.