theres no hate. actually i think its funny. heres something you guys can flame with but its the truth. when i was in school i wouldnt wear anything but converse all stars. black low cuts. i had a hell of a time talkin my parents into buying them. they couldnt see paying 10.00 for a pair of sneakers. you young guys will laugh at that im sure. hell its funny to me still. you older guys will remember that too im sure. i give that some thought as im paying 125.00 for my sons shoes now. when i think NO DAMN WAY...i remeber my father not wanting to spend that much...but he did it anyway because he knew it was important to me. none of this is really important...call it the history of shoes. i guess it fits here somehow.