Secret FBI Report Questions Al Qaeda Capabilities - Page 2

Pyro · 03-24-2005, 07:35 AM

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Not suprising. I agree wholeheartedly that the Al Qaeda threat is overblown. Fear mongering is the name of the game.

It's how to get elected in the USA.

Sgt>Stackem · 03-24-2005, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by ninty9

Not suprising. I agree wholeheartedly that the Al Qaeda threat is overblown. Fear mongering is the name of the game.

It's how to get elected in the USA.

you cant, we are trying to get rid of our "Canadian" governor in MIchigan right now (Jennifer Granholm) . This bitch has raised every tax we have, I think her upbringing has something to do wiht it. If you ever come to Michigan can you take her back with you?

Short Hand · 03-24-2005, 07:43 AM

I bet she could kick your ass old man.

Sgt>Stackem · 03-24-2005, 08:51 AM

[quote="Short Hand":1990d]I bet she could kick your ass old man.[/quote:1990d]

naw, Ive seen her, she is older and smaller. I could take her. I saw her when I took my daughter to see the senete voting on a bill we were supporting. I will take her out with my vote. I hope the other Michiganders do so. The power of the people!!! rock:

PS I wish she would get rid of that damn mole on her face. I cant help but to stare at it when she talks. Its like there is another life form on her cheek

[img]http://www.epochtimes.com/i5/401224601956.jpg[/img]

Pyro · 03-24-2005, 08:54 AM

chicks + government = oOo:

Coleman · 03-24-2005, 09:28 AM

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Not suprising. I agree wholeheartedly that the Al Qaeda threat is overblown. Fear mongering is the name of the game.

that odd movie you sent me said there is no such thing as an "Al Qaeda". The Bush administration made it up according to the 'documentary'. I'm sorry, but that pissed me off and I deleted it. biggrin:

Its not really that odd, it was produced by the BBC. And its not like he was just throwing the idea out there without facts, its part of a three part series that explains a lot. It goes over from 1945 right up to todays political climate. Anyway, not suprised you deleted it. Its a shame people can't look at things with an open mind though.

Our jobs as citizens is to question the government. If we all didn't care, then there'd be no "checks and balances". We elect these people. Their there to sure us. So I have no problem question politicians on the things they decide and do.

I had the open mind all the way up to that. There was some pretty bogus stuff in there. I just didn't feel like hearing material that was so left without anything else given to represent the other side. I thought it was rediculous to sit there and waste my time watching how the Bush Administration built Al Qaeda.

rdeyes · 03-24-2005, 09:33 AM

[quote="Sgt>Stackem":bd640][quote="Short Hand":bd640]I bet she could kick your ass old man.[/quote:bd640]

naw, Ive seen her, she is older and smaller. I could take her. I saw her when I took my daughter to see the senete voting on a bill we were supporting. I will take her out with my vote. I hope the other Michiganders do so. The power of the people!!! rock:

PS I wish she would get rid of that damn mole on her face. I cant help but to stare at it when she talks. Its like there is another life form on her cheek

[img]http://www.epochtimes.com/i5/401224601956.jpg[/img][/quote:bd640]

eww

ninty · 03-24-2005, 09:36 AM

well i'll be happy to send you the other two parts so you can see it wasn't the bush administration, but rather both groups built each other. The neocons and radical Islamists feed off each other.

The film does not say that 9/11 was organized by Bush. It does say that al queda is no where near as strong as politicians tell us.

I have to go to school now. I'll respond more latrer.

http://www.groundforce1.com/forums/viewforum.php

Coleman · 03-24-2005, 09:41 AM

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It does say that al queda is no where near as strong as politicians tell us.

I remember it specifically saying that there was no such thing as Al Queda. It was what the Bush administration labeled the group of Islamic Terrorists and from there they became an organization. I'm sorry, but that is bull in my eyes. THere is no set of facts from some website/article or even the f'in BBC for the matter, to change my mind on that one.

Poseidon · 03-24-2005, 10:23 AM

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Fear mongering is the name of the game.

There's a lot of fear mongering here in the UK right now as Blair tries to ram an "anti-terrorism" bill through Parliament. Apparently there are 200 Al-Qaeda dudes on the streets of the UK just waiting.....waiting to KILL US ALL!!!!

sleeping:[/quote:d79ae]

It was then discovered that the more accurate number was something like 18 oOo:

ninty · 03-24-2005, 11:11 AM

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It does say that al queda is no where near as strong as politicians tell us.

I remember it specifically saying that there was no such thing as Al Queda. It was what the Bush administration labeled the group of Islamic Terrorists and from there they became an organization. I'm sorry, but that is bull in my eyes. THere is no set of facts from some website/article or even the f'in BBC for the matter, to change my mind on that one.

Thats correct. Whats in a name? Bin Laden never publically said that his "clan" was called Al Queda until after the label had been applied. The film doesn't argue that terrorist groups don't exist. They acknowledge that these groups had a part to play on sept 11. All the video is saying is that politicians can exploit our fear to get what they want. And why wouldn't they?

9/11 provided the perfect catlyist to allow the government to implement sweeping changes to rights, and to increase defence spending substantially in the name of security and freedom. Hitler did the same thing. Why is this any different?

[quote:6aee8]None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who
falsely believe they are free.
-Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
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ninty · 03-24-2005, 11:14 AM

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if they send you orders to ship out to afghanistan are you going to question them?

They can't ship me out to afghanistan because, unlike the US, reservists in Canada have to volunteer to go overseas. Right now the entire contingent overseas is reg force. In the future, there will be reserve forces overseas, however, those people who want to go can volunteer and will probably get to go.

Coleman · 03-24-2005, 11:54 AM

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9/11 provided the perfect catlyist to allow the government to implement sweeping changes to rights, and to increase defence spending substantially in the name of security and freedom. Hitler did the same thing. Why is this any different?

are you serious?

ninty · 03-24-2005, 12:03 PM

I'm dead serious.

You can't deny that civil liberties have been curtailed in the US on the grounds of Security. This is exactly what happened in Germany in 1933. There are many comparisons to be made, I will admit certainly not as drastic as '33 Germany, however, they are still there.

Holding people without trial for indefinite amount of time.

Pre-emptive strikes on other countries in the name of security.

Freedom of religion, freedom of speech, press and peaceful assembly have all been infringed.

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0126-02.htm

http://www.bushflash.com/14.html

Coleman · 03-24-2005, 12:11 PM

Please tell me all of the liberties that I personally have lost and how much of a deal this is putting me in. I will not be held in jail for any amounts of time because of suspicious terrorist activities. I can say whatever the hell I want (minus shouting 'there's a terrorist!' at the Inaugural Parade).
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