i happen to run both of those things at my server...i understand you cant be there every second...but when you are there take steps to set examples of what happens to these people how need to act like idiots just because they think they can...i consider it my responsibility to make my server the best i can make it for the players i consider regulars and new comers to the game and ill take any steps necessary to get it done...BUTCHER..hey joe..check your pms.