[Colonel]

Originally Posted by Tripper

....But wouldn't you agree that under these circumstances, said christians should be looking out for the benefit of the people as opposed to their own personal religious beliefs?
I mean, sure they're allowed their opinions, but these are religious beliefs based on nothing but faith, I'd say they shouldn't be imposing those ideals, as law, on people who aren't faithful to that religion or any religion at all.

Tripper, I'm not basing my position on this issue on my religion. If I were Jewish, and followed the Bible to the letter, I would demand that all of these people be stoned (required punishment in the Old Testament). As a Christian, I have been told, "He who is without sin, cast the first stone." In other words, none of us should judge.

My opinions on this come from my personal belief that the special union between a man and a woman has been under attack for years. As I stated earlier, it is probably only a matter of semantics but I think "marriage" should be reserved and protected as to mean the union between a man and a woman. If two women want to form a life-long union they certainly can, but I don't see it as a marriage. It's really a silly argument on both sides. What difference does it make what you call it, as long as the legal standing in society is the same. But from my side of the aisle I see it as another log on the fire that is trying to burn down the institution of marriage and make it worthless.

[Johnj]

Laws are going to be made on the basis of religious beliefs. The fifth commandment is You Shall Not Kill. Laws governing killing people grew out of that commandment. Your argument means laws against murder should be thrown out because you or someone else doesn't believe in the Commandments. Some of you are dividing by zero on this subject.

[Akuma]

Originally Posted by Coleman

sodomy is leet

rock:

[Short Hand]

Originally Posted by Johnj

Laws are going to be made on the basis of religious beliefs. The fifth commandment is You Shall Not Kill. Laws governing killing people grew out of that commandment. Your argument means laws against murder should be thrown out because you or someone else doesn't believe in the Commandments. Some of you are dividing by zero on this subject.

Why even try and compare killing to 2 men or women getting married..... It is a pretty basic ideal in human society to have such laws as to not murder people... Laws like these have been around before the bible was ever conceived.

[negative]

Originally Posted by Colonel

Tripper, I'm not basing my position on this issue on my religion. If I were Jewish, and followed the Bible to the letter, I would demand that all of these people be stoned (required punishment in the Old Testament). As a Christian, I have been told, "He who is without sin, cast the first stone." In other words, none of us should judge.

My opinions on this come from my personal belief that the special union between a man and a woman has been under attack for years. As I stated earlier, it is probably only a matter of semantics but I think "marriage" should be reserved and protected as to mean the union between a man and a woman. If two women want to form a life-long union they certainly can, but I don't see it as a marriage. It's really a silly argument on both sides. What difference does it make what you call it, as long as the legal standing in society is the same. But from my side of the aisle I see it as another log on the fire that is trying to burn down the institution of marriage and make it worthless.

I agree with all of your posts.
I see it as the feminization and acceptance of the pussification of the American male. At my school we have portests for gays and stuff, but arent allowed to wear shirts that deal with supporting our troops-as it may offend some people.

It the leftwing liberals dedicated to letting the minority rule the majority, which is completely against what the founding fathers stood for. I dont think there should be an ammendment to the US constittution, as that would be opposite of my beliefs. I do think that states should have the right to make these ammendments, and if they vote to ban gay marriage than that is ok.

The only problem with this is that it could polarize the country. Even MA is having a revote on their gay marriage ban veto or whatever. Just goes to show that gay rights are not a popular as people want you to think.

Either way, with my backround of farms, trailerparks, and cheap houses in the south, I will never buy the whole "be accepting of gays". I was taught a man is a man, not a little bitch who complains about everything, and brags about being different then everyone else. In America, if you are for gays you are cool and open to things. If you are against gays, you are apparently a Jesus loonatic that is also racist and in the KKK (which is not true). It crazy leftwing liberal talk.

[Trunks]

[quote="TGB!":c464c]

Originally Posted by Trunks

[quote:c464c]So better to deny folks their right to free speech than for them to deny you your right to have the state recognize your desire to sodomize. . .

How are we denying people their freedom of speech? The only thing that I see being denied is a gay's right to marry... I do not quite understand who exactly is getting their freedom of speach denied to them. Plz explain.[/quote:c464c]

By YOU attempting to tell anyone - in congress or out - that they CAN NOT form their opinions based on their religious upbringing is indeed attempting to bar the free expression of ideas - whether said person is influencing laws or not.[/quote:c464c]wrong. I dont care what opinions people have. But when opinions turn into actual laws, then I start to care. Oh and johnj... Me and u both know that murder has nothing to do with it. Murder in itself is morally, the lowest one can go, and i dont need the 10 commandmants to tell me that. Murder is a completely different issue. In this case, people are basing opinions completely on religious beliefs. In the case of murder, 10 commandmants or not, it would still be outlawed. Sure if something said in the bible makes sense, it could be made into law, the main point isnt even that laws are being made based on religion, the point is that in turn, this law limits the rights of gays.

[Short Hand]

Originally Posted by negative

I agree with all of your posts.
I see it as the feminization and acceptance of the pussification of the American male. At my school we have portests for gays and stuff, but arent allowed to wear shirts that deal with supporting our troops-as it may offend some people.

It the leftwing liberals dedicated to letting the minority rule the majority, which is completely against what the founding fathers stood for. I dont think there should be an ammendment to the US constittution, as that would be opposite of my beliefs. I do think that states should have the right to make these ammendments, and if they vote to ban gay marriage than that is ok.

The only problem with this is that it could polarize the country. Even MA is having a revote on their gay marriage ban veto or whatever. Just goes to show that gay rights are not a popular as people want you to think.

Either way, with my backround of farms, trailerparks, and cheap houses in the south, I will never buy the whole "be accepting of gays". I was taught a man is a man, not a little bitch who complains about everything, and brags about being different then everyone else. In America, if you are for gays you are cool and open to things. If you are against gays, you are apparently a Jesus loonatic that is also racist and in the KKK (which is not true). It crazy leftwing liberal talk.

I am sure your grandfather said the sme things to the African American's when they wanted to sit at the front of the bus.... rolleyes:

[negative]

yup-he worked directly under Wallace in the great state of Alabama. He was on the roof in Tuscaloosa, with the ABI during the 16th street bombings, and was with the ABI at Selma. SOme pretty crazy stuff there.

And Im sure he did, as did MOST of the south. Your personality is based on your surroundings. If you want to be gay thats fine, its when you flaunt it or complain that it becomes a scene (which is all that they want).

Today at school, for example, we had a "silent protest" for gay rights. It was supposed to be representing that the gays arent being heard, and actually got ALOT of people out of presenting an asignment due in class. By Lunch time though, everyone was talking because everyone else in "the cause" was. Just an example of jumping on the bandwaggon to be cool different and stand out.

If you want to be gay, be gay. DOnt flaunt it. Why go to an all balck school because your white, or an all white school because your black? Because you can? To be different? The gays expect to have their festivles in cities throughout America (which is fine) and ask for police protection against protesters. The following week you have a pro-war march. Guess who shows up to protest? The liberals and gays. If any police ask them to leave or wahtever, then they file a lawsuit. Same with Machael Moore. hake:

[Trunks]

Originally Posted by negative

If you want to be gay, be gay.

U dont seem to understand. People dont choose to be gay. They just are, from birth. I guess u could call it a disorder.[/u]

[Coleman]

Originally Posted by Trunks

U dont seem to understand. People dont choose to be gay. They just are, from birth. I guess u could call it a disorder.[/u]

there is no evidence what causes homosexuality.

[Trunks]

Originally Posted by Coleman

there is no evidence what causes homosexuality.

Do urself a favor. Ask a doctor. Hell, ask a gay. It is an abnormailty, and altho we dont know exactly wat causes it, we do know that nobody actually chooses to gay.

[Colonel]

Originally Posted by Trunks

It is an abnormailty, ......we do know that nobody actually chooses to gay.

Actually, not all gays are born gay. Some choose to be gay. There are many cases of young people thinking they are gay, due to peer pressure, being "cool" or whatever, who finally find an opposite sex partner, fall in love and get married.


And be careful calling homosexuality an abnormality. That gets the gays really upset. Maybe 'cause if it is an abnormality, it is OK to try and find a cure for it. LOL

[ninty]

Did anyone actually watch the video I posted?

http://www.exn.ca/dailyplanet/view.asp?date=4/11/2005

Scroll down and click on Monkey business.

[Short Hand]

Originally Posted by negative

yup-he worked directly under Wallace in the great state of Alabama. He was on the roof in Tuscaloosa, with the ABI during the 16th street bombings, and was with the ABI at Selma. SOme pretty crazy stuff there.

MY God...... the shame you should feel.

Originally Posted by ninty9

Did anyone actually watch the video I posted?

http://www.exn.ca/dailyplanet/view.asp?date=4/11/2005

Scroll down and click on Monkey business.

I watched it already, it was awesome beer:

[Trunks]

missed the vid the first time, interesting... And Colonel I retracted my previous statement. Most of the time, gays dont have a choice in being gay.