ACTUAL ELECTION THREAD - Page 11

strvs · 11-04-2004, 09:48 PM

So you have the freedom to pick between the few forces to dictate your life.

Some freedom.

Old Reliable · 11-04-2004, 09:48 PM

yeah but then it puts you in that "group" and then you are forced to think another way. get what im saying?

Chango · 11-04-2004, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Coleman

it is one thing not to believe that the religions are correct, but i really despise the fact that you all think people with faith are subhuman and are "less" because of their faith.

Isn't that exactly what you conservatives think of the liberals?

Pyro · 11-04-2004, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Chango

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Originally Posted by Coleman

it is one thing not to believe that the religions are correct, but i really despise the fact that you all think people with faith are subhuman and are "less" because of their faith.

Isn't that exactly what you conservatives think of the liberals?

TGB! · 11-04-2004, 11:55 PM

Yea - the Mirror is an unbiased source of fact over hand-wringing hyperbole.

Look folks the Democrats (they are NOT liberals) lost the election because:

1. They backed a candidate who won ONE primary and got the benefit of the hype machine. If they had actually stood back and said "oh shit this guy is duller than paint thinner" they MIGHT have been able to correct a collosal fucking mistake. Instead Howard Dean goes "crazy" during one speech and is black-balled, and the Dems screw their one shoot at taking on George Bush - a mid-east Govenor who really IS anti-war.

2. John Edwards is NOT a politician. Hes a fucking lawyer. The WORST kind. And that showed obviously during his debate with the VEEP. He had canned answers (word for word almost) from Kerrys first debate, and got caught on more than a few blunders. He managed to keep himself from getting brutalized because hes a lawyer, a slick one. Cheney didnt buy any of his shit for a second. The public REJECTED the pretty boy with no substance whos reviled in his own state.

3. The bitterness. This KILLED you guys. It ABSOLUTELY destroyed any and all shot you had at getting the vote out - who wants to vote for hateful politicians decrying hateful politicians. Your "base" got burned out and either DIDNT show up or said F it Im voting for the other guy. I dont think they showed up because - supposedly - you had record number of voter regs, so assuming they DID show up to vote for the first time (exit polls do not show this - maybe 1/10 new voters) then that means you folks decided to stay home who were already registered. Both campaigns ran dirty, but folks expected that from The Architect Karl Rove - not from the "compassioned liberals".

4. Michael Moore. An absolute fucking ALBATROSS on the neck of the Democrat party. Lets just toss in all celebrities while we're at it. Folks dont like to be told who/what/why they are. They ESPECIALLY dont like it coming from the rich bourgeouis who have more money and more problems and go through marraiges like toilet paper. Michael Moore typified this perfectly. A man with more conspiracy theories than Oliver Stone, he came out as the "fat everyman from Flint, MI" when in fact he doesnt live in Flint, and stays in a Penthouse Apt. in NY city. Much like Hilary will be if she runs in 2008 - Moore was a lightning rod for those angry conservatives who reject the spoiled Hollywood elite and will let you know about it. He fucked you guys over - BIG TIME.

5. The youth. They didnt vote folks. Not at all. All the campaigns, all the drives, all the polls saying students prefer Kerry over Bush - poof. All for nothing. They stayed home and did what theyve been doing for years - remained apathetic. Why - because your candidate couldnt connect with them - AT ALL. Clinton knew how to talk to people. Knew how to relate. Kerry did not. Kerry is a smart man, marginal politician, terrible peoples man. Bush is an everyman (some say hes actually suffered a stroke which is why hes not as "sharp" as he was in 2000), and like him or hate his policies, hes STILL more likeable than Kerry.

You've got 4 more years to get your shit together kids.

Milla · 11-05-2004, 12:01 AM

[quote="TGB!":684c3] (some say hes actually suffered a stroke which is why hes not as "sharp" as he was in 2000). [/b][/quote:684c3]

Could of beent he pretzle he choked on....

But i agree with what you said especially the Edwards thing, hes a fucking lawyer...

Also i liked Howard Dean, i think he probably would of won if he had been against bush.

1080jibber · 11-05-2004, 04:00 AM

[quote=Coleman]

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Originally Posted by "Old Reliable":a575a

it forces people to think a certain way...eliminating freedom. a "freedom of religion" in my eyes is redundant because you are taught to think a certain way instead of acting freely without relying on a "god" figure. thats just how i see the world, mark me in the 1% of this country, i'm not the only one

it doesn't force anyone to think anything. You can believe whatever you want. I can go study to be a jew if i wanted to. I have to freedom to act any way.[/quote:a575a]

but you get pulled in when your young.