[Short Hand]

Originally Posted by Zoner

People get awful riled up over signatures, huh?

I'm not some artist with a pencil-thin mustache, sipping absinthe while listening to Tori Amos. I'm just some hack who goofs off at work by diddling with Photoshop.

If some of you haven't noticed, this isn't the Louvre. Gaming images, war images, band images...all par for the course. So, I agree with Zen and drop the fucking elitist attitude. None of you are very good at Photoshop...myself included.

Get over yourselves.

Your saying this only because, your not the once God that everyone thought you were with photoshop. Considering I have only been seriously using the program for 8 months. Ive had it for a couple years now*. This is some really negative commenting . im not sayign I want to be God with it but It is going to be my career in. It is what im going to school to do. The fact that you just said this is a really big blow not only to me but to a lot of aspiring artists or as you call them Hacks*.

[Magnum]

Originally Posted by Zoner

No offense, Magnum, but none of us have anything on guys like this:

I'm sure you know I was half kidding (denoted by the cool: of course). Yeah, I know none of us have that kind of ability. The distinction that needs to be made is once you go there, you move beyond editing and get into realistic art which is a completely separate ability anyway. If you can't draw that guitar with a pencil, you won't be able to do it in Photoshop. The actual "Photoshopping" in that pic is relatively small though. As far as artistic ability, that guitar is awesome, but it doesn't take full advantage of the software in certain aspects. The techniques in the vast majority of sigs aren't directly comparable with those in the guitar.

I think what I'm trying to say is that we all have different techniques and strengths that take advantage of different parts of Photoshop. A good comparison might be that there are many artists who use collage as their primary technique instead of creating from scratch. That's basically what we do.

[Short Hand]

The fact is aa.com is what has inspired me to change where I want my life to go. Im no longer settling for what I used to want. Of course I have graduated from just styles of aa.com. I have been lurking around a lot of design sites learning and taking in as much as I can. Learning never stops with photoshop. The possibility's go on. What you may no the other guy doesnt and vice versa.

[Neo Nazi Hitler]

Short Hadn,one of my favorite quotes I saw on a photoshop site was,
"Never stop learning!"

And that's they key right there..

and I agree a lot with what magnum said, except for the part, if you can't draw that guitar in real life you wouldn't be able to make it in photoshop.

I didn't quote because I don't feel like scrolling down and copy/pasting.

There's something else I wanted to say but I got side tracked! cuss:

-neo

[Short Hand]

Originally Posted by Magnum

I'm sure you know I was half kidding (denoted by the cool: of course). Yeah, I know none of us have that kind of ability. The distinction that needs to be made is once you go there, you move beyond editing and get into realistic art which is a completely separate ability anyway. If you can't draw that guitar with a pencil, you won't be able to do it in Photoshop. The actual "Photoshopping" in that pic is relatively small though. As far as artistic ability, that guitar is awesome, but it doesn't take full advantage of the software in certain aspects. The techniques in the vast majority of sigs aren't directly comparable with those in the guitar.

I think what I'm trying to say is that we all have different techniques and strengths that take advantage of different parts of Photoshop. A good comparison might be that there are many artists who use collage as their primary technique instead of creating from scratch. That's basically what we do.

Exactly. You said it perfectly. I don't think I could have said it better myself. rock:

Amen Magnum.

[Short Hand]

[quote="Neo Nazi Hitler":29816]Short Hadn,one of my favorite quotes I saw on a photoshop site was,
"Never stop learning!"

And that's they key right there..

and I agree a lot with what magnum said, except for the part, if you can't draw that guitar in real life you wouldn't be able to make it in photoshop.

I didn't quote because I don't feel like scrolling down and copy/pasting.

There's something else I wanted to say but I got side tracked! cuss:

-neo[/quote:29816]

exactly. Learning new tricks constantly then personalizing them to your own technique is key.

[Neo Nazi Hitler]

just wanted to add something, because if I edited my post above someone elses post they probably wouldn't read it.

I am only 15, and I am more in depth with photoshop than a lot of other people.. especially peers.

I will obviously admit magnum, shorthand, and zoner are all better at their style. I respect that they are superior to me with experience in age. But in good time, I will hear someone say this to me.

[strvs]

I agree, i may not be the best, but its going to get me places in life, ive already made money off making and coding templates for people.

[Chappy]

i make stuff i like to look at and thats why i rarely seek approval from other people unless it has something to do with being stumped at photoshop or need an honest criticism about something that doesnt sit right with a project. i know my stuff is cliche and probably overdone but lets face it, most ideas when its come to sigmaking are either inspired by someone else's work or blatantly ripped off from someone else (im guilty like everyone else). seems like most of the sig threads i see have "please tell me this looks good" screaming from them even when that is not explicitly stated. I dont mind cliche as long as it has style because style can't be taught (unlike how to use ps)

Just remember that Francisco Goya was too busy eating his own shit to seek out approval for his work.

[Zen]

Wow.

Better responces than I thought I would get. I guess you guys see what I'm saying.

It's like this.....

In high school I was that kid that everyone would have guessed would be some kind of artist or designer.

But , I got older , had some kids and did the 9-5 thing so to speak. I have literally books of stuff I drew back in the day. Never thought I would pick it up again.

Then I get into on-line gamming. Which naturally leads me here.

As soon as I saw the sigs I was hooked. The guys here hooked me up with knowledge and tools.

Now , everything was going great until I started getting into 3D stuff. Arch guided me over to leetweb , and after seeing the art over there I got exited about what could be done.

I mean I always figured I could never do the kind of things Guarnere can do. And Flagg has remained a persistant influence , and huge help also.

But I have talked to enough people to know that it can be done.

I guess you could say I have been inspired by the possibillity of an artistic career.

The point of my first post was it just pisses me off that the opertunity that I had here doesn't seem to be here anymore.
It may not be important , it may not matter anymore. And if thats the case , no big deal.

It is nice to see the responce though , thanks for showing that it still matters.

[Maplegyver]

\/ not a war sig

[strvs]

Dont get discouraged zen, here is my first sig i ever did:
[embaressment] [img]http://www.xbox-connection.com/hostedimages/Beeeatch.jpg[/img] [/embaressment]

[snipeymagoo]

arch and a few others are the only REAL good sig makers on leetweb, the rest are just 3d renders you can make in less than 5 minutes with some overlay layers, and I have run out of ideas for sigs, I have been thinking of different styles.... oOo:

[Neo Nazi Hitler]

Just a quick tip, when you're working on 3d objects in photoshop, learn how to use lighting.

Make sure on every part of the object the light looks like it's coming from the same spot, and screw those 3d renderers! rock:

I know it's much easier said than done, but still, keep that in mind.

[Fireal]

Fuck you zoner, seriously. Thats fucking low.