[ninty]

[quote="Osama Bin Laden":cf3d4]The U.S. government has consistently blamed me for being behind every occasion its enemies attack it. I would like to assure the world that I did not plan the recent attacks, which seems to have been planned by people for personal reasons. I have been living in the Islamic emirate of Afghanistan and following its leaders’ rules. The current leader does not allow me to exercise such operations.
—Osama bin Laden, September 17, 2001[/quote:cf3d4]

[url="http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/16/inv.binladen.denial/"]http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/16/i ... en.denial/[/url]

In my opinion, Bin Laden is not only an American invention, but I will go further and say that he is an asset to the CIA and the US.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/waronterror/s ... 44,00.html

Whether he committed the crime or not, he is used as an excuse for the Foreign Policy of the United States and its allied countries.

I am also under the belief that Bin Laden is dead, and has been since 2001 or 2002.

Then you are probable wondering how I would account for the video and audio tapes, and I would say that they are fakes.

If yo have specific examples I can look at those as well.

[Eight Ace]

[quote="Osama Bin Laden":88a19] .... The current leader does not allow me to exercise such operations.
—Osama bin Laden, September 17, 2001[/quote:88a19]
he would say that though, wouldn't he. I was under the impression he later admitted responsibilty,
you seem to believe his denial but dismiss his admission, on the basis you believe he's dead.

"The videotape shows clearly that bin Laden knew in advance of the attacks. He said: "We calculated in advance the number of casualties from the enemy who would be killed based on the position of the tower. We calculated that the floors that would be hit would be three or four floors. I was the most optimistic of them all. (...Inaudible...) Due to my experience in this field, I was thinking that the fire from the gas in the plane would melt the iron structure of the building and collapse the area where the plane hit and all the floors above it only. This is all that we had hoped for."
[url=http://usinfo.state.gov/media/Archive/2005/Jan/14-610042.html:88a19]LINK[/url:88a19]

Originally Posted by ninty

Whether he committed the crime or not, he is used as an excuse for the Foreign Policy of the United States and its allied countries.

"Whether he committed the crime or not"?, isn't that what this whole thing is about, I mean, if he did, contrary to his above denial, it's obvious that it would be used to shape policy to suit America, I cant think of any country that would not do the same.

My question was more about not just bin laden but all his associates who were talking of a "big operation" like Khalid Sheikh Mohammed the co-planner, and the attackers themselves, were they fictional or also working for the cia?
They seem to have long histories of anti western beliefs, yet these theories would lead me to believe they martyred themselves for America?

Help me out here.

[ninty]

On the video:

[img]http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/binladen8.jpg[/img]

Which of these things don't belong?

Frame E is from the confession video. Besides the obvious fact that it looks nothing like Bin Laden, in the video bin laden writes on a piece of paper with his right hand, while he is known to be left handed. This info can be found on the FBI website:
http://www.fbi.gov/mostwant/topten/fugitives/laden.htm

He can also be seen wearing a gold ring in the video, which is forbidden by Islam.

Also if you think about it, the video was literally found by US forces in Jalalabad. A VHS tape is pretty small, and they happened to pick this certain one up and watch it, it seems pretty lucky to me.

Here's what the German Press had to say about the tape:

http://dc.indymedia.org/newswire/display/16801

Also, if you look at frame C in the picture I posted above, this was reportedly made 10 days after the tape in frame E. Quite a transition, don't you think?

On the topic of him being dead:

http://edition.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiap ... .binladen/
http://edition.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/europ ... aden.will/
http://edition.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiap ... .binladen/


Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is an interesting character. He is able to tell the US anything they need to know. He's a pool of information. All we know about him is he was captured and apparently just sits around and tells the US whatever they want.

http://www.aldeilis.net/aldeilis/content/view/1150/107/

Also, about the attackers:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle ... 559151.stm

Up to nine of the hijackers involvment in 9/11 have been contradicted in some way or another.

Here we have a fox video about the 7/7 mastermind from london. I think this tells a lot about the current situation:

http://www.infowars.net/Pages/Aug05/020805Aswat.wmv


I don't think anyone of us will ever know the full truth. All I have realized is there are too many anomilies in the story of 9/11 to believe it to be truthful.

I would recommend highly to download one of Dr. David Ray Griffin's speeches. What he does is analyze what the government put out in its official 9/11 comission report with a fact based approach. His points are very hard to argue and 100% verifiable.

Here, I found a link to his speech at Madison:

[url=http://www.911busters.com/911_new_video_productions/WMV/DR_Griffin_Madison.wmv:5b65e]162mb WMV[/url:5b65e]
[url=http://www.911busters.com/911_new_video_productions/MOV/DR_Griffin_Madison.mov:5b65e]191mb MOV[/url:5b65e]
[url=http://www.911busters.com/911_new_video_productions/MP3/DR_Griffin_Madison.mp3:5b65e]59mb MP3[/url:5b65e]

If you have time I reall encourage everyone to watch it. This speech was shown on CSPAN2 and is 80 minutes long and I think he can answer many questions better than I can since he's written 30 or so books. I know it's a little long, but give it a shot.

Oh yes, there is one other BBC doc I forgot to mention. That is the power of nightmares. It is three parts, but if you wanted to get to the meat and potatoes watch part three.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/3970901.stm

I hosted it and gave it to a couple pro-iraq war people on the board about a year ago. One didn't like it too much and didn't watch it all and one never got back to me.

I would host this stuff again for you guys, but I don't have my hosting service anymore, so you have to download it off a torrent site.

The doc basically recounts the entire Al Queda movement from conception in the 60's while also recounting the neo-conservative movement from around that time as well. It is a great history lesson, and extremly interesting.

[Eight Ace]

I thought there was a vid of osama talking about the attacks where it is obviously him, I think it's in a small room with a paralysed mullah or something, I'll look for it. That last pic is obviously nothing like him.

Thanks for the links ninty I'll look at them tonight.