[Eight Ace]

[quote="Mr.Buttocks":22950]The vast majority of the Lebanese civilians killed have been as a result of bombs and missiles fired/dropped by cowards flying at 10,000ft in F-16s.[/quote:22950]
how do those Israelis turn cowards into fighter pilots is what I'd like 2 no! spank:

[Madmartagen]

i agree that this war has taken an unecessary turn. Israel should not be boming apartments and city blocks to take out 2 fucking guys. they need to operate more efficiently and responsibly.

[Sgt>Stackem]

Originally Posted by Madmartagen

i agree that this war has taken an unecessary turn. Israel should not be boming apartments and city blocks to take out 2 fucking guys. they need to operate more efficiently and responsibly.

thats easy to say but impossible to do. Isreal has put up with this crap for a while, I dont blame them one bit. Now Iraq is going to back the Homzella fighters, that isnt good at all. It may be time to rearange our troops. Welcome to WWIII

[Jin-Roh]

Unconventional Warfare defeats the purpose of having the Geneva Convention

[Short Hand]

[quote="Jin-Roh":a9896]Unconventional Warfare defeats the purpose of having the Geneva Convention[/quote:a9896]

[Eames]

i honestly don't see what the problem is. sure civilians dying is sad and unfortunate, but unfortunatly its just another part of war. if a group of people do something to provoke war, then they have to be willing to accept the responsibility of the consequences of war. civilian deaths and other colatoral damage are just another part of war. what i don't understand is why no one questions or condems our massive bombing of german and japanesse cities during ww2. we killed hundreds of thousands of civilians during ww2. we would level cities to destroy a few factories, where were the protests then?? the public outcries?? lets se...there were none! people knew its what had to be done to win the war and if fire bombing this city meant it brought the war that much closer to being over then it was worth it.

now we have these cowardly islamic terrorists who love to attack western countries then flee back to their urban suroundings, not wear uniforms, hide behind civilians, count on the west to either to be to scared to bomb them, or bomb them and then film the destruction and condim the "horrible bombings", or finally (their most prefered scenerio, we send our ground forces in to root them out, and they will just shoot our troops in the back or blow themselves up to kill as many western forces as possible.

these muslim enemies we face today are simply cowards and deserve no special treatment what so ever. at least the damn germans and japs had the balls to wear uniforms and face us on a battle field, because you know they actually were concerned about defending their homeland and protecting their civilians. not like these muslim terrorists, who refuse to wear uniforms, refuse to face us on a battlefield, and hide behind women and children and count on our undecisiveness to survive. these islamic terrorists are the reason why civilians are being bombed because they think if they hide in urban areas they will be safe, they do not give a fuck about the civilian population they jepordize by hiding there...and they make that blatantly clear everytime they detonate bombs that kill hundreds of civlians. we should make it perfectly clear that we are going to kill our enemy no matter where they hide, and if there is colatoral damage then so be it, but the people doing the bombing shouldn't be the ones who are condemed...rather the cowards who are hiding behind civilians should be the ones that are condemed because they are the ones putting the civilians in danger and we are the ones fighting a war that they started, something we all forget.

[Simo Häyhä]

[quote=Whatada]

Originally Posted by "Sgt>Stackem":35b08

good to see the schools teach spelling over there

Well fuck, Skippy; considering they're ISRAELIS that look about 9-10 years old, I'd cut them some slack. Or should the English language be branded into the minds of children across the globe as quickly as possible? eek:


But honestly, what did they expect? The Vietnames Geurillas did it, the Insurgents across Afghanistan and parts of Iraq do it... There's no justification for holding a child in front of you to soften a spray of bullets, but really, this shouldn't be any shocking news.[/quote:35b08]
lol, they speak Hebrew over there. i'm amazed that they even know a little bit of english. good on them


Lets go Israel!
[img]http://www.stateofisrael.com/Israeli%20Flag.gif[/img]

[Tripper]

Originally Posted by Eames

i honestly don't see what the problem is. sure civilians dying is sad and unfortunate, but unfortunatly its just another part of war. if a group of people do something to provoke war, then they have to be willing to accept the responsibility of the consequences of war. civilian deaths and other colatoral damage are just another part of war. what i don't understand is why no one questions or condems our massive bombing of german and japanesse cities during ww2. we killed hundreds of thousands of civilians during ww2. we would level cities to destroy a few factories, where were the protests then?? the public outcries?? lets se...there were none! people knew its what had to be done to win the war and if fire bombing this city meant it brought the war that much closer to being over then it was worth it.

now we have these cowardly islamic terrorists who love to attack western countries then flee back to their urban suroundings, not wear uniforms, hide behind civilians, count on the west to either to be to scared to bomb them, or bomb them and then film the destruction and condim the "horrible bombings", or finally (their most prefered scenerio, we send our ground forces in to root them out, and they will just shoot our troops in the back or blow themselves up to kill as many western forces as possible.

these muslim enemies we face today are simply cowards and deserve no special treatment what so ever. at least the damn germans and japs had the balls to wear uniforms and face us on a battle field, because you know they actually were concerned about defending their homeland and protecting their civilians. not like these muslim terrorists, who refuse to wear uniforms, refuse to face us on a battlefield, and hide behind women and children and count on our undecisiveness to survive. these islamic terrorists are the reason why civilians are being bombed because they think if they hide in urban areas they will be safe, they do not give a fuck about the civilian population they jepordize by hiding there...and they make that blatantly clear everytime they detonate bombs that kill hundreds of civlians. we should make it perfectly clear that we are going to kill our enemy no matter where they hide, and if there is colatoral damage then so be it, but the people doing the bombing shouldn't be the ones who are condemed...rather the cowards who are hiding behind civilians should be the ones that are condemed because they are the ones putting the civilians in danger and we are the ones fighting a war that they started, something we all forget.

Oh please would you stfu. You can't compare this situation to ww2. Ridiculous.
For one, the enemies in ww2 were nations with governments leading the countries into battle with massive armies full of citizen soldiers...This war is about a small nasty group of people WITHIN a country, not a conventional army.
In ww2, the allies bombed factories, strategic positions that would hurt industry and make it hard for the enemy to build up the MEANS to fight the war - Not random bombings of cities to get at a few terrorists peppered throughout massive amounts of civilian families. ....Of course there were random civilian bombings like Dresden, but you don't see many people denying that those types of things were a mistake....and even then its still a hell of alot different.
Imagine how pissed you would be if some small group of Americans for some stupid reason started launching terrorist attacks on China - and China retaliated by bombing the shit out of civilian populations in your towns and cities where they lived - I'm sure you'd see it quite differently.

Why should innocent civilians take the brunt of the pain and anguish just because A FEW of these terrorists are hiding amongst them? Makes no sense at all.
This ISN'T a conventional war - so why fight it like it is?

Also you ask why there wasn't the same outcry during WW2? There was far less pacifism in WW2 for alot of reasons, most civilians - until they were bombed - were totally removed from the violence, which was mostly glorified - both sides had their citizens supporting the war effort. I'm sure most of the lebs that are dying don't support these terrorists at all.

[quote:69470]if a group of people do something to provoke war, then they have to be willing to accept the responsibility of the consequences of war.[/quote:69470]

Funny how its the innocents that are facing the consequences, and not the people that actually provoked the war.

I'm not anti-israel in the slightest - I just think the way they're waging this conflict is pretty stupid. Not only for the innocents they're killing but also the future terrorists that will be born out of this conflict. They're just making more enemies.

[Eames]

like i said before, the only reason civilians are being killed is because hezbollah fighters (like all islamic terrorists) are cowards who use women and children as human shields. this point needs to be emphasized more by the media so people will start seeing just how low these terrorists really are.

[Tripper]

Originally Posted by Eames

like i said before, the only reason civilians are being killed is because hezbollah fighters (like all islamic terrorists) are cowards who use women and children as human shields. this point needs to be emphasized more by the media so people will start seeing just how low these terrorists really are.

.....So the Hezbollah fighters line them all up on the roof of their own apartments to take the brunt of the SHELLS flying over from Israel? I think you'll find human shields aren't very effective when you're being bombed.

[Jin-Roh]

FUCKING WHORES!!!!

dance:

[Short Hand]

It is funny how certain groups are freedom fighters while others are terrorists.

[Eames]

Originally Posted by Tripper

.....So the Hezbollah fighters line them all up on the roof of their own apartments to take the brunt of the SHELLS flying over from Israel? I think you'll find human shields aren't very effective when you're being bombed.

the point of them using civilians as shields isn't to stop the bombings. its to film the results of the bombings/ shellings and show the world the results and blame isreal for the civilian deaths so they can turn world opinion against israel and in favor of them. the islamic terrorists know they can never hope to defeat israel or any western country in a conventional war so all they can do is wage a cowardly war of atrition and count on our soft populations to cave in when casualties start to rise. which from some of the opinions in here, its obviously working.

like i said before, if the terrorists are cowardly enough to hide themselves behind their own civilians and make them targets, then the only ones to blame for the colatoral damage are the cowardly terrorists themselves, who obviously do not give a fuck about who they kill.

[Madmartagen]

people are being killed as they flee the city in cars and on foot. how are they being used as shields?

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/07/ ... index.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5228224.stm

being that israel and the US are the "good guys," we have a responsiblilty to act professional and accurately when attacking a state that is much weaker than our own and less likely to fight conventionally. since our wars as of lately have been against the government and not the people, part of the goal is to win the hearts and support of the population.

looking at our ally fighting like this is very unpleasant to me and makes me wonder why we should risk our necks and reputation for their sake.

[Tripper]

Originally Posted by Eames

the point of them using civilians as shields isn't to stop the bombings. its to film the results of the bombings/ shellings and show the world the results and blame isreal for the civilian deaths so they can turn world opinion against israel and in favor of them. the islamic terrorists know they can never hope to defeat israel or any western country in a conventional war so all they can do is wage a cowardly war of atrition and count on our soft populations to cave in when casualties start to rise. which from some of the opinions in here, its obviously working.

like i said before, if the terrorists are cowardly enough to hide themselves behind their own civilians and make them targets, then the only ones to blame for the colatoral damage are the cowardly terrorists themselves, who obviously do not give a fuck about who they kill.

So everytime Israel blows up civilian buildings and misses Hezbollah, or gets one or two terrorists for every 50 or so civilians they kill, and AMERICAN media portrays this....It's solely just Hezbollah, and their 'human shields?'

That makes no sense.

[quote:ab44b]its to film the results of the bombings/ shellings and show the world the results and blame isreal for the civilian deaths so they can turn world opinion against israel and in favor of them.[/quote:ab44b]

Yeah. Hezbollah do HEAPS of news reporting. I've seen plenty of footage filmed by them. You're fucking ridiculous.

[quote:ab44b]like i said before, if the terrorists are cowardly enough to hide themselves behind their own civilians and make them targets, then the only ones to blame for the colatoral damage are the cowardly terrorists themselves, who obviously do not give a fuck about who they kill.[/quote:ab44b]

So as an analogy, Its solely the criminals fault when the police department just decide to blow the fucking building up killing all the hostages inside....?

Considerable collateral damage in this case is avoidable. If Israel just reevaluated the way they fought this war then they'd have the total support of everyone....But instead they show that innocent lives don't mean shit to them unless they're israelites.

Lebanon isn't a nation at war as much as it is a nation taken hostage by criminals.