[elstatec]

that Abu Hamsa fucks getting fuct by america now anyway, englands been trying to get rid of the twat for ages. here : http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3756543.stm

[imported_Fluffy_Bunny]

I think I know why we haven't got rid of him already. This guy openly preaches his bollocks & all MI6 has to do is get someone inside. This guy is an ideal Al Queda recruiter for spies.

[MrLevinstein]

Got to love the radicals, fucking over their entire people.

Panzer why dont you stop lurking and waiting for threads where you can talk about the infedels?

[Milla]

[quote=Gerard]

Originally Posted by Milla

eek:

Die brandon biggrin:[/quote:84aa8]

Die in a pool of your own urine gervis biggrin:

Originally Posted by MrLevinstein

Got to love the radicals, fucking over their entire people.

Panzer why dont you stop lurking and waiting for threads where you can talk about the infedels?

He's only defending his people/religion/country etc, just like people here do. (Defend Amerika, jesus, whatever)

[imported_Fluffy_Bunny]

He's doing it in England, the 'New Jerlusalem' eek:

[Eight Ace]

Originally Posted by KTOG

I don't think any of you know what the meaning of Jihad is. You all would probably say
"Its a holy war" ... wrong. Jihad is the protest of westernization.

[quote="Fluffy_Bunny":1f626]He's doing it in England, the 'New Jerlusalem' eek:[/quote:1f626]
[img]http://www.contrelislam.org/_images/religions/islam/abuhamsa.jpg[/img] PHEEER ME!!11 rolleyes:

[Vance]

Originally Posted by KTOG

I don't think any of you know what the meaning of Jihad is. You all would probably say "Its a holy war" ... wrong. Jihad is the protest of westernization.

No, Jihad in Arabic DOES mean "holy war" The DEFINITION of Jihad is ''the legal, compulsory, communal effort to expand the territories ruled by Muslims at the expense of territories ruled by non-Muslims''.

http://www.danielpipes.org/article/990

[KTOG]

The DEFINITION of Jihad is ''the legal, compulsory, communal effort to expand the territories ruled by Muslims at the expense of territories ruled by non-Muslims''.

Yes, but i don't think you grasp the concept that their meaning of war is diffrent than ours. They mean the war on western expansionism, just like when we say "War on Crime" or "War on Drugs" ... it doesn't mean lets bust out the abrahams and run them into a crack den. This is there "War on Westernization". Jihad isn't blowing yourself up, it isn't getting your ak47 out and blasting troops. Its when the muslim try to prevent American culture from invading theirs. I recommend a book called "Jihad McWorld" about the expansion of Americanization and the effects on the outside world.

[Eight Ace]

Originally Posted by Quze

He's only defending his people/religion/country etc, just like people here do. (Defend Amerika, jesus, whatever)

This is why people are running out of patience with "all the good muslims" like panzer presumably...
why don't they rise up and stamp out radical extremeist muslims that are debasing their precious "faith"?

Because throughout the islamic world, the moderate muslims are themselves being terrorised
on a daily basis and the vast majority are afraid to speak against it and powerless to stop the
extremists who will simply kill/blow-up any rational opposition. All they can do is say "oh, that's
not real islam" or "that's not real jihad"....

well come on Islam, whose going to have the balls to show us the real workings and power of
this "beautiful faith??" otherwise leave your cleaning up to the West as usual....and if you're
already enjoying freedom in a western country, then shut your hypocritical mouths.

[Pick Axe]

Originally Posted by KTOG

Jihad isn't blowing yourself up, it isn't getting your ak47 out and blasting troops. Its when the muslim try to prevent American culture from invading theirs.

But you're forgeting that the Muslims that do blow theirselves up and do things like attack schoolbusses and all do it in the name of "Jihad". It matters little what you say the deffinition is, its the people who are pulling the triggers that show us the true meaning of Jihad.

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[quote:dff10]Prior to science people needed an explination for the events in their lives[/quote:dff10]

Tell me how science has explained the creation of the universe. I know the've got this big bang thing, but doesn't it start with one big blob of matter? How could there be matter, or even space itself without something there to create it? For me, the only logical explination points to God.

[elstatec]

stfu nub

[Inertia]

[quote="Pick Axe":ccf62]

[quote:ccf62]Prior to science people needed an explination for the events in their lives[/quote:ccf62]

Tell me how science has explained the creation of the universe. I know the've got this big bang thing, but doesn't it start with one big blob of matter? How could there be matter, or even space itself without something there to create it? For me, the only logical explination points to God.[/quote:ccf62]

Went over your head there did I? No problem, allow me to clarify.....

I am not saying that science has replaced religion, that is just not true.

What I am saying is that in ancient times, before man had any concept of "why" religion filled the part, it could awnser questions that then had no awsners. I am not pointing to specific facts...Im being very general here so don't get out of whack.
I am not a person to judge or ridicule your beliefs, I think that spirituality is a wonderful thing that each person should strive to accomplish. I aplaud your desire to be a better person.

Now to address your concerns about the universe....there is no proven answer, plain and simple. However things can exsist without being created. Lets use life as an example, which is more probable?

a. A hidden and mysterious infinate being of power specifically created us in a splendid garden for no apparent reason beyond the beings own amusment and is controlling not only our world but the entire cosmos.

or

b. Given billions upon billions of planets all different in composition and enviroment, not only would life be cultivated on our planet, but possible on literly billions of other worlds as well.

I don't know the truth any more than anyone else, these are only theories. But I must side with science, I just have more faith in nature and ballance than ancient stories edited by dark age clerics.
Once again no disrespect intended, I am only trying to clarify my possition on the matter.

[[2ss]Panzer]

[quote="Eight Ace":e6993]

Originally Posted by Quze

He's only defending his people/religion/country etc, just like people here do. (Defend Amerika, jesus, whatever)

This is why people are running out of patience with "all the good muslims" like panzer presumably...
why don't they rise up and stamp out radical extremeist muslims that are debasing their precious "faith"?

Because throughout the islamic world, the moderate muslims are themselves being terrorised
on a daily basis and the vast majority are afraid to speak against it and powerless to stop the
extremists who will simply kill/blow-up any rational opposition. All they can do is say "oh, that's
not real islam" or "that's not real jihad"....
[/quote:e6993]

Seriously, tell me wat i am supposed to do? I am just a teenager who lives in good ol' Edmonton, Alberta. And u wonder why nobody stands up against the terrorists in the arab countries, its because they will be immediately killed for going against them. Not only will they kill u, but kill ur family. I know i wouldnt want that. Other people support them because they are the only ones helping the palestinians.

[Pick Axe]

Originally Posted by Inertia

Now to address your concerns about the universe....there is no proven answer, plain and simple. However things can exsist without being created. Lets use life as an example, which is more probable?

a. A hidden and mysterious infinate being of power specifically created us in a splendid garden for no apparent reason beyond the beings own amusment and is controlling not only our world but the entire cosmos.

or

b. Given billions upon billions of planets all different in composition and enviroment, not only would life be cultivated on our planet, but possible on literly billions of other worlds as well.

A. God is not hidden. Almost every culture on earth acknowlages his existence. People have an inborn desire to worship.

B. True. I don't know if there is life anywhere else, but if there was it would have absolutly no effect on my beliefs. I just don't believe that life can be cultivated by chance allignment of molucules over billions of years. Unless God chose evolution (Not Apes-Men, if that were the case, apes wouldn't exist as apes anymore) as a means to "cultivate" life.

[quote:6a212]Other people support them because they are the only ones helping the palestinians.[/quote:6a212]

Why help a people who's chosen tactics dictate attacking school children and other civilian targets.