this is going too far - Page 3

Machette · 02-22-2006, 08:30 PM

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Don't bring Israel into the equation, thats irresponsible. Israel has already killed enough Arabs.

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Well it goes unreported as it is..

tomxtr · 02-22-2006, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Machette

I'm posting this to shed light on my previous statement. I've used this site before on this fourm.

http://www.btselem.org/english/statisti ... alties.asp

I assume that this link is supposed to show that more Palestinians have died than Israelis? First of all, who gives a flying fuck what these statistics say. If you're going to fuck with a country like Israel, be prepared to take some casualties.

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Originally Posted by Machette

B'Tselem is ran in Israel as well. I hold it in high regard as do many other intellects who write about the Israel/Palestine conflict.

happy: "as do many other intellects" You fancy yourself an intellect? happy:

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Originally Posted by Machette

This is only from the first intifada as well...keep that in mind.

You bring up the first intifada, and yet you fail to mention that the Palestinians incited this violence despite a growing acceptance of Israel at the time by other Arab countries.

Machette · 02-22-2006, 08:46 PM

Did I say I was an intellect? Mocking people in a debate, which is common here, is immature.

Plus I don't think its necessary for me to add a comment onto the infamous line, it's just ignorance if you ask me. "First of all, who gives a flying fuck what these statistics say. If you're going to fuck with a country like Israel, be prepared to take some casualties." Talk about a gap in the statistics, a few thousand more casualties over a few hundred? No wonder Palestinian boys are willing to resist the occupation.

Go through the site and I hope it can change your mind about your views. Most of the deaths happened in the occupied territories which was taken "ILLEGALLY" by Israel in the 60's as cited by the U.N and many other important organizations.

c312 · 02-22-2006, 08:51 PM

well, you said " I hold it in high regard as do many other intellects" so yeah, that generally is taken as you calling yourself an intellect.

And with the killing deaths, are you saying that Israel has killed more Palestinians so the Palestinians deserve some free shots to catch up? The only reason that Israel has killed more is because they have a better military, they both hate each other, they both kill each other, neither side is right, you shouldn't side with either.

Machette · 02-22-2006, 08:58 PM

Alright the sentence was phrased incorrectly, shoot me. And I'm filling the gap of unheard information, seeing your reaction to it doesn't suprise me. In no way do I support suidice bombers, but when one goes to great lenghts to resist something like this occupation they find that the only way to do so is with violence. I personally wish America would stop sending military equipment to Israel. America has basically taken a Israel stance in its foreign policy. I remember reading about a vote which would give Palestine some territories from Israel (this was held in the U.N) and the only countries who voted against it were Israel, America and some small countries...I forget the names.

c312 · 02-22-2006, 09:02 PM

What do we give them? I know we SELL them stuff, but that's different. We also sell stuff to other countries, like I know we've sold some good naval stuff to Spain.

tomxtr · 02-22-2006, 09:07 PM

You might be surprised to know that at least since the early 90's, the US has given more financial assistance to the Palestinians than any other nation, albeit far less than is given to Israel.

Machette · 02-22-2006, 09:07 PM

http://www.wrmea.com/html/us_aid_to_israel.htm

It's all there.

And you know who is behind Israel? Who already recieves the most military/financial aid from American than any other country in the world..Colombia.

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Originally Posted by tomxtr

You might be surprised to know that at least since the early 90's, the US has given more financial assistance to the Palestinians than any other nation, albeit far less than is given to Israel.

I won't deny that, but cutting it off now isn't the right thing to do. Cutting off aid = No Arab policemen in Palestine thus increasing attacks.

c312 · 02-22-2006, 09:08 PM

what military aid do we GIVE them?

Machette · 02-22-2006, 09:10 PM

Weapons such as guns among other things. It's all on that site. If you don't believe me, which you don't, just search it for yourself.

tomxtr · 02-22-2006, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by c312

what military aid do we GIVE them?

They are given about 2 billion a year in military and about 1 billion a year in domestic aid, courtesy of the US taxpayer.

c312 · 02-22-2006, 09:13 PM

it's not that I don't beleive you, I just don't think we explicitly give them military aid, I know we give them money and chances are that they spend some (or a lot) of it on military funding, but I want to know if we send them stuff like artillery, guns, bullets, etc..

Machette · 02-22-2006, 09:16 PM

http://www.palestinemonitor.org/factshe ... Israel.htm

Yes I know...don't say it.

tomxtr · 02-22-2006, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Machette

I won't deny that, but cutting it off now isn't the right thing to do. Cutting off aid = No Arab policemen in Palestine thus increasing attacks.

I'll admit that I'll often debate, just for the sake of debating, but I disagree with you on this point. The Palestinian Authority didn't do a good job of policing when they recieved aid. That is, if any of the money ever found its way to them. The inmates (Hamas) are and have been running the asylum. Hamas is a known terrorist organization who not only doesn't recognize the Israel state, but is bent on the destruction of Israel.

Not to worry though, respectable countries such as Iran and Saudi Arabia have stepped up to support these terrorists. I guess I shouldn't be surprised, but I'm certainly disappointed in the Saudis.

c312 · 02-22-2006, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Machette

http://www.palestinemonitor.org/factsheet/US_Aid_to_Israel.htm

Yes I know...don't say it.

ok, but that says we give them $2billion in explicit military aid. That doesn't seem like much (even though I don't think that our money should pay for anyone's military but our own). And it also says that 18 of 92 arms deals were with Israel. That seems like a small percentage to me, 18 of 92...And they have more F-16s than any country other than the US. Ok, but it later says they are buying them from Lockheed Martin, it's not like they're buying them from the US government....