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Default 05-16-2004, 09:52 AM

what about catholic missionaries from spain in south america competing to see who could cut indiginous people in half with the fewest sword strikes?...
  
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Default Re: Rant Runt - 05-16-2004, 10:51 AM

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Well I see it as alot of Arab countries have always had pretty terrible rulers and leaders and with all the bad shit at the top levels, it goes down and affects the lower levels, it influences and affects the people, the lack of respect, the lowering of morals, common things you'd expect from civalised countries.......it becomes a vicious cycle and that can last centuries.

All the bad shit, the bad attitudes gets related to religion, then certain things are misunderstood, misconstrued and twisted so that various parts and sayings for example, could mean something completely different.

Everyone is capable of being peaceful, caring, creative and communicative. Its just down to the evolution of various cultures, some are more backward, violent and seem like a lost cause......but.......i tend not to see it as the person, the human themself as being less evolved, its just the 'current' culture that is fucked up.

Potential is the key word for islamic countries, you see, with a bastard like saddam gone things could get so much better but if mishandled- things could turn pretty desperate. Eventually everything need to be handed back to the people of Iraq, they need to be in full charge and they need to get saddam in a public trial as soon as possible. After that things can change so much its hard to comprehend, it'd be like starting again without all the badness, all the mistakes and hurt that the previous bastard governments made them go through.

It all depends on americas commitment to the situation, the choices they make now could impact the rest of the world for many years tocome.
Islam is actually a peaceful religion but over so many years the lack of progression in the islamic countries has meant its gotten a bad reputation, like with extremists misinterpreting parts of it and using it against others.....

Dunno if you got my drift, hope ya did..
read the quar'an its not a peacful religon. no religon that promotes "jihad" and any sort of killing and looting could possibly be deemed a "peacful" religon.
What about religions that started the crusades and began the construction of 'missions' that were nothing more than concentration camps for native americans? Religious books contain all sorts of violent tales and stories, but its up to the individual to interpret and apply these teachings in their lives. You dont see anyone sacraficing thier children or animals to God anymore, but that was in the bible.[/quote:bad36]

First of all, the Old Testament of the Christian Bible is irrelevant in regards to sacrificial practices, that sort of thing, since the New Testament clearly states that those are the old ways and no longer to be practiced.

Secondly, the entire reason the Crusades began was to repel Arab invaders.

Thirdly, the Spanish Catholics and other Christian groups have done some crazy things. The difference is that Christianity doesn't support their behavior, Islam does.



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Default 05-16-2004, 11:55 AM

Panzer please translate those verses. I've found the same on more than that site.


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Default 05-17-2004, 06:44 PM

^ Noc correct me if im wrong but.... Were the crusades not started to "Take Back" The holy Lands ? Arab Raids didn't start in to Spain im sure until The Seljuks over threw "Saladins Dynasty". Even if they were "Started to repel the attacks, they ended up in Agression taking the Holy Land.
  
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Default 05-17-2004, 07:02 PM

[quote="Short Hand":dd173]^ Noc correct me if im wrong but.... Were the crusades not started to "Take Back" The holy Lands ? Arab Raids didn't start in to Spain im sure until The Seljuks over threw "Saladins Dynasty". Even if they were "Started to repel the attacks, they ended up in Agression taking the Holy Land.[/quote:dd173]

no, the fucking moors entered into spain in the 700's and made there way all the way into france which they would have conquered along with all of western europe if it hadnt been for charles martel, or charles "the hammer" who in 715 i believe beat the shit out of the saracen scum at the battle of tours. the muslims withdrew back to spain but still raided the french coast and italy constantly. and to correct all of you the crusades started after the byzantine emperor lost the battle of manzikert in 1071 which basicly left all of asia minor and palestine open to the seljuk turks who took control of these territories shortly after the battle. the byzantine emperor was desperate for help and sent a letter to the pope asking him for western assistance, the emperor expected a few thousand knights and some other professional soldiers....he got a crusade.
  
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Default 05-17-2004, 10:38 PM

[quote="Short Hand":33f62]^ Noc correct me if im wrong but.... Were the crusades not started to "Take Back" The holy Lands ? Arab Raids didn't start in to Spain im sure until The Seljuks over threw "Saladins Dynasty". Even if they were "Started to repel the attacks, they ended up in Agression taking the Holy Land.[/quote:33f62]

I was having a discussion about this with someone yesterday, and I've got to go do a bit of research on the chronology of things, because neither of us could remember the details.



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Default 05-17-2004, 10:51 PM

The first crusade might be considered justifiable and maybe the second ... but like hell the 3rd and 4th were.
  
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Default 05-18-2004, 01:56 PM

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The first crusade might be considered justifiable and maybe the second ... but like hell the 3rd and 4th were.
went far past 4 lol.
  
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