[Colonel]

Originally Posted by Trunks

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

I can't figure out what Freedom of Religion has to do with Gay Marriage. Explain please.

[Madmartagen]

Originally Posted by Colonel

I can't figure out what Freedom of Religion has to do with Gay Marriage. Explain please.

meaning the people who base their opinions about homosexuality from what they learn at church and in the bible have no right to press mandates and amendments to ban gay marriages. if you take away religion from the gay marriage equation, there isnt much of a real argument to make against gay marriage.

[Colonel]

Originally Posted by Madmartagen

meaning the people who base their opinions about homosexuality from what they learn at church and in the bible have no right to press mandates and amendments to ban gay marriages. if you take away religion from the gay marriage equation, there isnt much of a real argument to make against gay marriage.

That doesn't make sense to me. People basing their beliefs about homosexuality on what they learn at church has nothing to do with Freedom of Religion....other than the fact that the Amendment protects their right to worship as they see fit. It would be easier for you to twist that amendment around to say that it protects "religious" people's right to be homophobes than it is to twist it to say the amendment gives gays the right to marriage.

You need to pick another Amendment. Maybe the Tenth.

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people."

you could argue that since the Constitution does not give the power to regulate marriage to the Congress then that right goes to each state to decide for themselves.

[ninty]

http://www.exn.ca/dailyplanet/

Scroll down and click "Monkey Business"

[Short Hand]

Originally Posted by ninty9

http://www.exn.ca/dailyplanet/

Scroll down and click "Monkey Business"

beer:

[Ferich]

Cool video ninty. Lol, offtopic I guess but I remember a Tom Green special in Japan where one of those gets in his van.

[Trunks]

Originally Posted by Madmartagen

meaning the people who base their opinions about homosexuality from what they learn at church and in the bible have no right to press mandates and amendments to ban gay marriages. if you take away religion from the gay marriage equation, there isnt much of a real argument to make against gay marriage.

at least one person understood what I was trying to get across.

[quote:072e9]As u can see, the only reason people are against it are because they personally think its disgusting, which, is not a suitable reason for restricting ones rights, or because of religious reasons, but as it clearly states in the very first ammendment, since there is no law on religion, there should not be a law restricting something for a religous reason.[/quote:072e9]

[TGB!]

[quote:4ce24]there should not be a law restricting something for a religous reason.[/quote:4ce24]

What is being proposed here is ironic since it essentially says "we are willing to limit free speech and free thought since the ideas created based on religion run contrary to what we envision the spirit of Civil Liberties/Rights to be" -

I know you Lefties were facists. . .always fun to be proven right.

[Tripper]

Originally Posted by Trunks

at least one person understood what I was trying to get across.

[quote:e73f5]As u can see, the only reason people are against it are because they personally think its disgusting, which, is not a suitable reason for restricting ones rights, or because of religious reasons, but as it clearly states in the very first ammendment, since there is no law on religion, there should not be a law restricting something for a religous reason.

[/quote:e73f5]

I understand, and am In total agreeance. As soon as religion mixes with government you have troubles ahead. Especially in western countries which tend to be melting pots for different cultures and religions.

We have an issue down here similar to this. Regarding a civil union bill being passed in our country allowing intersex marriage. Only real outcry against it is from misguided christians being led by this crazy minister guy Brian Tamaki who has turned his series of churches into a cult.....They do huge marches, it's kinda freaky.

Pics might be a little big, but I think they're relevant in terms of pointing out the seriousness of this issue, religion in government etc, and how crazed people can become once they find a leader they truly believe in.

[url:e73f5]http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/images/0408/3f723c9ff59b976e07c4.jpeg[/url:e73f5]
....This is from a march against the civil union bill
Guys in the black shirts are the "destiny church" members.....They're basically Brian Tamaki's henchmen.

[img]http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/images/0408/9e1bfdb206dc51447670.jpeg[/img]

More henchmen. People started calling them the "black shirts." rofl.

[img]http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/images/0408/c8f04e851a1124f9d77d.jpeg[/img]
....The head honcho himself.

I saw this "Enough Is Enough" parade all over the tv, and it was really frightening and eerie. It was too much like a nazi rally. What scares me even more is that this guy is going into parliment (Government). A perfect example of why religion doesn't work in government.

[Johnj]

So you are saying (Trunks, Mad) that being gay is some kind of religion.

[Tripper]

Originally Posted by Johnj

So you are saying (Trunks, Mad) that being gay is some kind of religion.

lol, this is like the third time in a row you guys have totally missed the point.

No offense, but isn't it clear?

What they're saying is that religious groups such as christians deny homosexuality because it's written in the bible that it is wrong, etc, and to base laws on that is to base laws on christianity. Which is unfair to those that are of any other religion, or of no religion, like many gay people are.

[Coleman]

gay marriage is for fags!!1

[Trunks]

Originally Posted by Tripper

lol, this is like the third time in a row you guys have totally missed the point.

No offense, but isn't it clear?

What they're saying is that religious groups such as christians deny homosexuality because it's written in the bible that it is wrong, etc, and to base laws on that is to base laws on christianity. Which is unfair to those that are of any other religion, or of no religion, like many gay people are.

thankyou.

[TGB!]

[quote:fba1c]Which is unfair to those that are of any other religion, or of no religion, like many gay people are.[/quote:fba1c]

So better to deny folks their right to free speech than for them to deny you your right to have the state recognize your desire to sodomize. . .

Fabbo system. . .

[quote:fba1c]thankyou.[/quote:fba1c]

You're supporting a flawed argument. . .

[Trunks]

[quote:4a043]So better to deny folks their right to free speech than for them to deny you your right to have the state recognize your desire to sodomize. . .[/quote:4a043] How are we denying people their freedom of speech? The only thing that I see being denied is a gay's right to marry... I do not quite understand who exactly is getting their freedom of speach denied to them. Plz explain.