[c312]

Originally Posted by SoLiDUS

You can hate me all you want but in the end, I'm usually right on the money.

Maybe to yourself you are right on the money, not to everyone else.

[SoLiDUS]

To intelligent people, perhaps. I could care less about the others except for when they need to be put back in their place, which (unfortunately) is more often than I would like.

Originally Posted by Trunks

TK-423 I have to disagree. Solidus is right on the money when it comes to improving society as a whole, because fact is, like it or not, religion is slowing down our progress. For hundreds of years the Church persecuted has brutally killed scientists/researchers for daring to challenge the church's views. Is that not sickening as well? Without religion, there would be a lot less wars, and substantially more people would be thinking thinking rationally.

Critical thinking would still be a rarity for the simple reason that most people don't make the effort to approach the world rationally: emotionality is rampant and partly responsible for the constant wars and (ironically) immoral actions perpetrated in the name of (for example) Islam and other equally pointless belief systems. Make no mistake: I tolerate your beliefs insofar as they do not impede on my personal liberties, but I strongly object to such nonsense anyway.

The faster we do away with these archaic systems, the sooner we will be free from 'our' crutches and ready to continue our evolution as a species.

[Judas]

Originally Posted by Madmartagen

food, medicine, housing, education oOo:

what has faith in god given us?

i dunno what its given you, apparently nothing, and honestly i dont think it is suppose to give you anything. by definition alone its given me : A set of principles or beliefs. Which, btw, sounds alot like what science gives you ?

science has given us food ? if anything science is making our food more and more dangerous to consume. science pollutes our water, and soil, and in turn pollutes the animals that live around that water and soil, and resulting vegetation.

food,medicine,housing, and education ( how the fuk did science give us education btw) gives us the moral character to enteract with other human beings in a civil fashion? I dont think so.

if anything science only gives us the means to destroy one another, at best. it teaches us nothing of kindness, and responsibility to our fellow man.

religion has its place for those who wish to believe in it, as does science, but they both offer us different things. if you want to believe in science, more power to you, if you want to believe in some david koresh type, more power. i think thats the wonderful thing about these "fairy tails", is that they are there for us to find something in ( including sciece ), whatever that something may be. does it hold us back as a race, i dunno, but i like to think that it does help those who find something in it feel better about the world, and help them to treat their fellow man better. not everything in science is proven, and not everything in religion is proven, some in both is "assumed", right ?

i seriously dont give a shit what any of you believe, dont believe, or what have you. believe what you want, im not here to condem you where ever or whatever. i just dont see how religion is doing anything to "hold us back", and none of you have, succinctly, or loquaciously, explained to me how it does.

[c312]

Originally Posted by SoLiDUS

To intelligent people, perhaps. I could care less about the others except for when they need to be put back in their place, which (unfortunately) is more often than I would like.

Critical thinking would still be a rarity for the simple reason that most people don't make the effort to approach the world rationally: emotionality is rampant and partly responsible for the constant wars and (ironically) immoral actions perpetrated in the name of (for example) Islam and other equally pointless belief systems. Make no mistake: I tolerate your beliefs insofar as they do not impede on my personal liberties, but I strongly object to such nonsense anyway.

The faster we do away with these archaic systems, the sooner we will be free from 'our' crutches and ready to continue our evolution as a species.

lol, I've never heard somebody so sure of themself on something that they can't possibly be sure of. You are hoping you are right just as the religious people are.

[Madmartagen]

Originally Posted by Judas

i dunno what its given you, apparently nothing, and honestly i dont think it is suppose to give you anything. by definition alone its given me : A set of principles or beliefs. Which, btw, sounds alot like what science gives you ?

science tries to give us facts and answers to any and all questions humans would like answered. it has nothing to do with beliefs or morality. my opinion on religion is irrelevant.

science has given us food ? if anything science is making our food more and more dangerous to consume. science pollutes our water, and soil, and in turn pollutes the animals that live around that water and soil, and resulting vegetation.

those are the negative effects science has on food, but if it werent for science, there wouldnt have been pasteurization, refrigerators, freezers, powdered foods, microwaveable dinners, advanced farming - we wouldnt have the capacity to feed the amount of people alive today. millions would starve if they waited for jesus or muhammad or whatever to come down on his golden chariot to turn water into wine and feed everyone with a loaf of bread. no, science taught us how to provide sustanance for ourselves.

food,medicine,housing, and education ( how the fuk did science give us education btw) gives us the moral character to enteract with other human beings in a civil fashion? I dont think so.

Science is by definition the process of learning. You wouldnt have colleges, universities and education w/o learning. history proves that religions obstruct knowledge by only teaching approved lessons and resisting any learning that contradicts what is fundamentaly accepted. You cant have medicine and medical science w/o science, what are you, kidding me? i didnt say that science teaches you morals, i think you are supposed to learn those from your parents and peers. You get your social behavior in school and interracting with others. I didnt learn my morality or conciousness from church.

if anything science only gives us the means to destroy one another, at best. it teaches us nothing of kindness, and responsibility to our fellow man.

Religion is equally destructive as science has been in the past. Again, my concious tells me to be kind and responsible.

religion has its place for those who wish to believe in it, as does science, but they both offer us different things. if you want to believe in science, more power to you, if you want to believe in some david koresh type, more power. i think thats the wonderful thing about these "fairy tails", is that they are there for us to find something in ( including sciece ), whatever that something may be. does it hold us back as a race, i dunno, but i like to think that it does help those who find something in it feel better about the world, and help them to treat their fellow man better. not everything in science is proven, and not everything in religion is proven, some in both is "assumed", right ?

Right, im not saying we should abolish religion. You are free to believe in your superstitions if you want to. I just think that Science does have an edge over Religion because it is the search for knowledge, indesputeable knowledge that can be proven. I dont see how after everything we have learned through science people can still say that its just as equal to religion and should be shared in schools. Schools are for learning. Think of everything that you were taught as a child and what you now know to be false. There is no Santa, Easter Bunny, tooth fairy, boogie man, god or jesus. Its just the same thing brought down from generation to generation. Fine, keep telling the stories at campfires and to keep your kids from breaking curfew.

i seriously dont give a shit what any of you believe, dont believe, or what have you. believe what you want, im not here to condem you where ever or whatever. i just dont see how religion is doing anything to "hold us back", and none of you have, succinctly, or loquaciously, explained to me how it does.

i think that religion keeps people back because i think that all religions are selfish, lying, racist, sexist and are all based on the words of people who were actually dummer than people are now. if you can just take that last part into account for a second, that pretty much sums it up right there. Religion doesnt provide answers, it gives you empty promises and complete bias and absolutely nothing of value save for some momentary feeling of self righteousness or empty self worth. If you need that to comfort yourself you should just kill yourself cause you have no self esteem or no value to anyone. People that find God are inmates on death row, child rapists, drug addicts and some of the lowest and most ignorant people that crawl out of the desert. The most religious and pious people on the planet also happen to be the dumbest, poor, violent and hateful bitches than anywhere else. These of course are my opinions on religion, but i think many people can see some truth (not complete truth) to them.

dude, why dont you just tell everyone what religion has done for you and what it has given to you. be specific and do a good job writing this shit cause there is no point trying to debate this while im at work.

[SoLiDUS]

Originally Posted by c312

lol, I've never heard somebody so sure of themself on something that they can't possibly be sure of. You are hoping you are right just as the religious people are.

You can choose to believe that such is the case, but reality will not bend to your whim.

[TK-423]

[quote:4d7a0]Is that not sickening as well? [/quote:4d7a0]

On the execution of scientists and philosphers I 100% agree with you Trunks.

[Coleman]

I think you're all insane idiots

[Madmartagen]

Originally Posted by Coleman

I think you're all insane weirdos.

sexy altar boy

[c312]

Originally Posted by SoLiDUS

You can choose to believe that such is the case, but reality will not bend to your whim.

Nor to yours

[SoLiDUS]

This thread is a joke. I'm out...

[Jin-Roh]

Originally Posted by SoLiDUS

This thread is a joke. I'm out...

loney:

[TK-423]

Originally Posted by SoLiDUS

This thread is a joke. I'm out...

He's off to play Quake 3.

[ninty]

Originally Posted by Himmler

it would be fine without the damn extremist muslics/islam terrorist that believes all non-believes are infidels and we must die. fuck that shit, they need to die for thinking that

I hope that was sarcasm...because if not, that was the most ironic statement ever made.

[Machette]

That was a "low" statement