New Orleans - Page 12

Colonel · 09-03-2005, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Stammer

This will go down as one of the worst homeland security blunders in US history.

Funny. I keep wondering what this has to do with homeland security. I think it will go down as one of the biggest blunders of LA. Why in the heck is everybody sitting around waiting for the feds to do something? LA is a big state, most of which is unaffected by the hurricane. Why can't the folks in LA go down there and help them out? I think the lack of response in more the LA governor's and NOLA mayor's fault than the fed government. Have we become so dependent on the federal aid that we can't even get off our arses and walk out of NOLA? (I love the story of the kid that took a school bus full of folks to Houston and everybody on the bus pitched in for gas....apparently they weren't taught the proper amount of dependence in school. They were supposed to wait in their flooded homes and curse the government. rolleyes: ) And is it the feds fault that folks are shooting each other? Or stealing big screen TV's? That's just stupid.

tomxtr · 09-03-2005, 09:26 PM

I've been thinking the same thing. People kept saying that they saw this coming and the NO paper wrote an expose on this a few years ago. They should know better than anyone to get the fuck out of Dodge when these things come there way. The local authorities should have had a better evacuation plan for the poor folks.

That being said, people get complacent and most probably wouldn't have left even if transportation was provided for them. The people who stayed would have been right if the levees hadn't failed after the storm had passed. Although, I suspect that there would have been resistance and outrage if the government, federal or local, try to force people to evacuate. After all, a lot of the people said they stayed to protect their property from looters. They knew who lived among them.

Anyway, there is enough blame to go around, from the President on down.

ninty · 09-03-2005, 09:28 PM

[url=http://www.stripes.com/article.asp?article=31346&section=104:cd064]Fearing riots, Guard rejects food airdrops[/url:cd064]

ninty · 09-03-2005, 09:52 PM

Straight from the horses mouth:

[quote:094d7]In the event of a terrorist attack, natural disaster or other large-scale emergency, the Department of Homeland Security will assume primary responsibility on March 1st for ensuring that emergency response professionals are prepared for any situation. This will entail providing a coordinated, comprehensive federal response to any large-scale crisis and mounting a swift and effective recovery effort. The new Department will also prioritize the important issue of citizen preparedness. Educating America's families on how best to prepare their homes for a disaster and tips for citizens on how to respond in a crisis will be given special attention at DHS.[/quote:094d7]

http://www.dhs.gov/dhspublic/theme_home2.jsp

Short Hand · 09-03-2005, 10:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ninty

Straight from the horses mouth:

[quote:a81c0]In the event of a terrorist attack, natural disaster or other large-scale emergency, the Department of Homeland Security will assume primary responsibility on March 1st for ensuring that emergency response professionals are prepared for any situation. This will entail providing a coordinated, comprehensive federal response to any large-scale crisis and mounting a swift and effective recovery effort. The new Department will also prioritize the important issue of citizen preparedness. Educating America's families on how best to prepare their homes for a disaster and tips for citizens on how to respond in a crisis will be given special attention at DHS.

http://www.dhs.gov/dhspublic/theme_home2.jsp[/quote:a81c0]

Bingo biggrin:

TGB! · 09-03-2005, 10:22 PM

/claps

Great - youve pointed out that HOMELAND SECURITY (through the office of FEMA) is responsible for bringing order to NO.

However - pre-emptively, who should have been at the helm? Bush, FEMA, HS -

Naw - you can look more locally for that answer.

Can someone tell me why the city of NO, and the GOV. office didnt have a proper evac plan in place, and why in gods name the mayor of NO sent these people to the SUPERDOME?

Why is the Mayor calling on GREYHOUND to bus people out, when he had a FLEET of local school-buses to handle that (nevermind that these are the people with an intimate knowledge of who might not be able to evac themselves)?

Typical Anti-Bush-Admin knee-jerk blame-game.

ninty · 09-03-2005, 11:01 PM

You really need to calm down.

[quote:ee0d8]entail providing a coordinated, comprehensive federal response to any large-scale crisis and mounting a swift and effective recovery effort[/quote:ee0d8]

There's two parts here. Before and after. The quote from HS is obviously after the fact.

I'm not sure what is being debated here.

Short Hand · 09-04-2005, 03:57 AM

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Originally Posted by ninty

You really need to calm down.

[quote:a863c]entail providing a coordinated, comprehensive federal response to any large-scale crisis and mounting a swift and effective recovery effort

There's two parts here. Before and after. The quote from HS is obviously after the fact.

I'm not sure what is being debated here.[/quote:a863c]

You know that is how he is....Politics are like sex to the man. TGB likes his shit rough.

TGB! · 09-04-2005, 07:56 AM

[quote="Short Hand":ced6e]

You know that is how he is....Politics are like sex to the man. TGB likes his shit rough.[/quote:ced6e]

Well, since we're trying to be clever - if Politics is like sex - that must be why you never, EVER get it - and about the only one who will ever give you the time of day - is you.

rolleyes:

Colonel · 09-04-2005, 08:00 AM

I know that we have put this under the department, I just don't understand what it has to with it. And what I really don't understand is why folks sit and wait for somebody else to do something. Why didn't the Governor cancel school statewide for a few days and send every bus in the state down to help evacuate? Maybe they don't want to spend their precious budget when they can let the feds spend theirs.

BTW - thanks for the link to HS. I hadn't even thought to look there to see what they say they are doing. Here is a link to the part of the site that shows how many meals, etc they are handing out, how many folks they are evacing etc:

http://www.dhs.gov/dhspublic/display?th ... ntent=4772

The area they are trying to service covers 90,000 square miles! ed:

Johnj · 09-04-2005, 10:42 AM

[quote="TGB!":8d344][quote="Short Hand":8d344]

You know that is how he is....Politics are like sex to the man. TGB likes his shit rough.[/quote:8d344]

Well, since we're trying to be clever - if Politics is like sex - that must be why you never, EVER get it - and about the only one who will ever give you the time of day - is you.

rolleyes: [/quote:8d344]

happy: biggrin:

beer: dance:

ninty · 09-04-2005, 11:30 AM

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Short Hand · 09-04-2005, 04:27 PM

[quote="TGB!":58fee][quote="Short Hand":58fee]

You know that is how he is....Politics are like sex to the man. TGB likes his shit rough.[/quote:58fee]

Well, since we're trying to be clever - if Politics is like sex - that must be why you never, EVER get it - and about the only one who will ever give you the time of day - is you.

rolleyes: [/quote:58fee]

Yes

tomxtr · 09-04-2005, 05:20 PM

The AP is reporting that NOPD killed 5 to 6 armed men and woulded 2 to 3 others who were shooting at US Army Corps of Engineer contractors doing repair work. What the fuck is wrong with these people? I'm glad this shit didn't go unchecked.

ninty · 09-04-2005, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by tomxtr

The AP is reporting that NOPD killed 5 to 6 armed men and woulded 2 to 3 others who were shooting at US Army Corps of Engineer contractors doing repair work. What the fuck is wrong with these people? I'm glad this shit didn't go unchecked.

The story is changing constantly. There is a lot of misinformation out there.

First:
[url=http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,168457,00.html:59078]New Orleans Cops Shoot Eight Gunmen[/url:59078]

Then:

[url=http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050904/ap_on_re_us/katrina_shootings_hk1:59078]Gunmen Attack Contractors on La. Bridge[/url:59078]

Now:
[url=http://www.news24.com/News24/World/Hurricane_Katrina/0,,2-10-1942_1765151,00.html:59078]New Orleans: Police kill army contractors[/url:59078]